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Wait until the case, lets see who going win Championship, it will not be Hentricks cars, it's going be good old Roush and Matt 17# to win it all.

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Overall, I'd have to disagree with you. It still takes the talent to drive and the crew with good equipment to win a race. Luck always has some part of the equation. However, talent still creates the luck.

On just about every race day with the entire field about half of them have any real chance to win the race. The car has to be top notch, the crew top notch, and the driver top notch to measure up to the likes of a Gordon, Stewart, Johnson, Kenseth, Martin just to name a few. These are the guys that win week in and week out.

However, I will agree with you that the skills of the drivers are proven. Even the worst driver is a very good one.

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OK, I'll concede that at least half the field can win on any given day.:D

There's more luck involved than you are giving credit towards...Gordon won because the rain came down while he was in the lead. Had the rain held off for 5 laps, do you think he would have won? I agree that he was good enough to be where he was at that time, but it was pure luck that he was able to be there when the race was called.

Then you have other cars taking out contenders, mechanical failures, debris damage, pit road mishaps...the list is endless. Some of it is experience, but a lot of it is pure luck avoiding the things that take a car out of contention.

Just ask any driver out there...they would rather be lucky than good any day.

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I just saw a disgusting rumor on another site that said Jr. is gonna announce tomorrow that he is going to be in the #5 car for Hendricks next year:12: . I feel real sorry for Jr. fans if that's true. Of course Jr. fans will be kissing Hendricks butt if he wins a title with them.

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That would be awesome news. Kyle Busch is the only driver in the Hendricks team that I can't stand. Perhaps Kyle can go race Toyota's next year. But I doubt there is any truth to it.

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I had heard a few weeks back that Hendricks wasn't really interested because they had no plans on changing any drivers for next year. I guess you never really know though.

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I wonder what sponsor would pick him up?? And i cant imagine him with Hendrick.. just because i always thought there was a rival with him and Hendrick.

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Looks like Jr. is going to Hendrick. :Flame:

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Just read this article.

jr. to HMS

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Ginn, RCR, JGR, or HMS in that order. :23:

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I'm not so sure that there ever was a rival. I think the so called rival is the intense dislike for Gordon that many Earnhardt fans have. They have this misconceived conception that Dale Sr. hated Gordon.

I personally think this would be awesome. I like Gordon, Johnson, starting to like Mears the more I watch him, and like Earnhardt Jr. Kyle Busch was the only driver with Hendricks that I hated to see do well. Can't stand the punk just like I can't stand his punk brother.

I'm sure that if this turns out to be true tomorrow the army of red is going to have some serious rumbling. I can imagine next year in Daytona: Earnhardt fans cheering on Gordon as he helps to draft and push Earnhardt to a Daytona victory in his first race with Hendricks. :31:

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Wooo...hoo! Another great reason for me to hate (OK...seriously dislike) the entire Henricks organization even more than I already did! It'll be really funny if Kyle ends up with DEI and end up in a car with the #8 on the side! Boy, can I see some tatoo parlours getting some serious business overnight! Can't wait to hear not only the official annoucement, but Kyles take on the whoel affair.
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Budweiser #25 like in the old days is what I see. Kyle gone, Mears in #5.

And it will be just like that commercial where Junior joked about changing his number and everyone went nuts! :11:

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That would be nice to see him in the #25 with Budweiser and Mears moved to the #5 car. That is the rumor that I'm reading.

As for Budweiser, I'm sure they are going to move with Dale and not stay with DEI. It would be a mistake to not follow the most popular driver who will be moving to the top racing team in Nascar.

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Not all of us. There are some of us Earnhardt fans who have an undertsanding of Gordon and Sr's relationship. I've been an Earnhardt forever and have pulled for Gordon on many ocassions. I couldn't stand Jr. when he hit the scene. I thought he didn't have any talent and was only in NASCAR because of his dad. Of course he's been my driver for years now and I take more sh!t for being a fan of his. People still think if you're a Jr. fan then you must have jumped on the bandwagon.

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It'll all come out later today, and I agree with you on the Bud idea but it doesn't sound like that is a lock...oddly enough. If I were Budweiser, I'd be wherever I needed to be so that I could stay in the Jr. camp. I'm wondering about the future of Tony Eury, Jr. as well ???
http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/head...ans/index.html
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It's official...Kyle Busch doesn't have ride next year :D

We still don't know what # or if Budweiser will follow him, but Jr made the announcement

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crazyness!!

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Gordon fans and Junior fans, it's time to unite! There's barely any reason for the rest of the field to show up anymore. Imagine a talented dirver in the 5 car who isn't going to wreck it every race. This will make for a really cool team t-shirt!

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Yup. It is official now. Jr. will be with HMS. Here is one article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?...yhoo&type=lgns

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I think I just got a little sick!

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What's interesting with Hendricks sponsors. They are all signed through next year. I'm sure that DEI is going to make a serious push to keep Budweiser in their camp. Think of the irony if Kyle Busch were to drive the Budweiser car and Kurt Busch in his Miller Lite car.

I have to admit, as a Nascar fan I'm excited that Dale Jr. will be joining the team with Gordon and Johnson. That is an awesome lineup. And Mears is showing some talent as well. Now if only Hendricks cars were Fords and winning, that would be utopia. :HOPPY:

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I was just in the yard talking to my neighbor who WAS a huge JR fan. When I asked about the JR move he said who, I say "Dale JR" and he says, "he's dead to me." :23: :23: :23:

Now that's just silly. I would gladly drive a HMS car, even the 24, and actually you could even call me Geoff Gordon. I would love the booing all the way to the bank. :smokin: :23:

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:23:

Jr joining Hedricks, this is like Mrs. Hatfield jumping in the sack with Mr. Mccoy

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Or like Mark Martin drivin' a cheby:mad:

I would like to welcome all the Jr fans to our world. At least your guy didn't change makes, imagine how that would have went over!!

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You mean like Terry Labonte?:OUCH:

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Will my friend was big JR fan but not now he is sale all JR stuff on EBAY. This is end of NASCAR has we know it.:27:

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Now that ive been thinking, i think this might start a riot in the stands at some races...

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Terry stepped out and was realisticly uncompetetive for the last few years. Don't get me wrong, I like Terry. But, Kyle stepped in, and all of a sudden the car was fast. I'm just saying the equipment is obviously good, now they have a driver who's competetive and can finish races.

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Give Mark a break. They threw a ton of money at him and he gets to choose which races he's in. That's a hell of a good deal and it's not like Roush wasn't given first dibs...and he did race a complete extra season for him! Martin is a class act all the way and I admire the way he wants to slowly fade away into the sunset. If he could do it with an extra few million bucks in his pocket more power to him.

BTW, my opinion differs with Dale Jarrett. He took a bunch of money as a hired gun but NASCAR actually made a good decision and limited the number of champion provisionals he could use. Retirement has never been mentioned and he never shopped himself around like Mark did....

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:agree: Class act and a good driver. Wish the rest of the field would study Marks ways.

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I agree about Mark. I also have no problem with him going to Chevy. The only exception would have been to a Toyota like Jarrett did.

Speaking of Jarrett. Rumor is he and UPS are not happy(no surprise) and are thinking of leaving their contract with team Waltrip.

And for those Earnhardt fans who have jumped ship and now dispise him, in my opinion you weren't a true fan of his if you are going to jeer him now because he joined a class organization in Hendricks. And I'm sorry the whining that Hendricks is an ex con who was paroled by a good ole boy president isn't going to cut it. The man treats his drivers, team, and friends with class.

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I'm in agreement as well. The only other driver that I felt sad about abandoning the Ford pits but still felt was a driver worth rooting for was Bill Elliott. When he went to the Dodge(Dark?) side of the garage I wasn't happy, but I didn't feel any less of a fan of his. Same way about Mark. Too few class acts left, in any sport not just NASCAR. The idea that sports figures can be role models is one I can agree with, as long as the person carries himself as one and honors those who look up to him/them. Those are two drivers I can say are deserving...
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Bill is driving for Wood Brothers now:halloween

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I saw an old 60 Minutes episode tonight on the CMT channel that was on Earnhardt Jr. . During one part of the interview he said quote "I'd rather be on a mediocre team with people I know and care about (DEI at the time in 2004 when he was sucking) than win championships on a team I don't know and could care less about". Hmmmm, I guess he's changed his priorites now.

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Mark & Bill were with Ford for thier entire career. Then, for whatever reason, they both bolted. At least you can say that Jr. is loyal, cause he only considered the Chevy teams. Winning is maybe a good reason to forgo all your loyalties, but not $$. Leaving a team for $$ in the twilight of your career may leave you with money, but not me as your fan. To Mark & Bill, Enjoy the cash, hope it buys you alot of what you are looking for. To me, it was as sad a day to hear that Mark would leave for a Chevy and Bill for a Dodge as the day I heard Davy had been killed or the morning that I heard that Alan had died. To all you newcomer NASCAR fans, I am refering to two of the finest drivers in NASCAr, Davy Allison & Alan Kulwicki.

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But then nobody would be champion. :OUCH:





:LAUGH: Just kidding, I completely agree. I think the only other driver out there that can match Martin's class and docility would be Bobby Labonte. Nothing negative to say about either one of them.

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I totally agree with the last part of your comments. I'll throw in Adam Petty as well, not so much as for him being a force in the series, but as member of an admired family with the potential of being a champion.
As far as Mark and Bill jumping ship, I won't say I was happy about them leaving the blue oval contengent. Mark was suppoed to retire (again), and I'm not so sure it was a $ driven motivation for him to make the surprise move. For Bill (and we'll look past his Chevy drives of recent), I think he was motivated more by the challenge of a new team, new manufacturer (Dodge), and the possibility of (probably) having either his own team or at least a level of involvement that went beyond driving; management, training, etc., that drove him.
Very glad to see him n the Wood Bros. Ford.
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I guess you don't know the history of Hendricks and Earnhardt. Dale Sr. actually drove for Hendricks before. And JR. has known Hendricks since he was a kid. He has been close to the Hendricks family. Dale JR. is not joining a team that he does not know or care less about. The Earnhardt-Hendricks familes have been close for years.

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Agreed! I have been a true Earnhardt Sr./Jr. fan forever and couldn't imagine not pulling for Jr. simply because he is going to Hendricks. Hendricks and Earnhardts have a long time relationship that many have no idea about. I can't wait to see Jr. get over the ordeal with DEI ownership, Teresa and dealing with Eury Jr. as crew cheif. He needs this change in his career.

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Do you realize that Mark Martin started in Winston Cup in 81 driving a Monte Carlo? He drove a few races for several seasons and just couldn't find a good ride. Jack Roush asked him to drive for his first Winston Cup team in 88 and that was his first Ford.

Martin is a race car driver, plain and simple. He doesn't care what it is, he just enjoys racing. That's why he's been so successful in so many types of racing. Unfortunately the demands on his schedule made it so that he just couldn't enjoy racing, so he decided to make a change. He doesn't need the money, he just wanted a way to get back to what he enjoys.

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Yes, I do realize he started in a Chevy. How did that work out....NOT TO GOOD! Lost his A@@ with that deal, bankrupt with all the cars, parts sold at auction and ended up back in ASA. His Winston Cup career began with Ford & Roush.

He may not need the money, but he took it and could have been like JR., looked for deals with Ford owners instead of the deal with Chevy. But NOOOOO, he bolts and forgets all the ties & loyalty with Ford & Roush. Do I sound bitter, He** yes. Sorry if my opinion bothers anyone, but I hope he hits the wall each week (Don't want him or any other driver injured, just out of the race in the first 50 laps).

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He didn't jump ship, he sold his team to Ray Evernham, who in turn went to Dodge and then offered Bill a ride. Bill didn't enjoy being an owner and a driver, so he sold his team to someone so he could focus on driving. And seeing that Ray Evernham was considered one of the best crew chiefs out there at that time, I can't blame him. That would be exciting to be the premier driver of a brand new organization being run by one of the best in NASCAR. Give up an opportunity of a lifetime like that for brand loyalty? Yeah, I can see your point.:??:

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Will I just got home I just saw on Speed tv Roush is talking with Brush be one drivers for Roush?

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I just want to see if the Jr. fans will still throw stuff on the track when Gordon wins. That is just so childish in my opinion. I'm not a Jr. fan but I bet he will do much better with Hendricks then he ever did with DEI. DEI has a lot of issues in teir orginization and Jr. knew it. I think it's a good thing he got out of there. I can see Jr. winning the championship coming within the next few years.

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:agree:

That's the commitment HMS had to make to get him. :D

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No, I did'nt know that. OK, let me change my answer to I could'nt really care less about them. My driver switched to Toyota so I have no favorite driver. I just watch bits and pieces of the races now.

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Thats just mean! :D

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...at which time I will no longer be an official Roushketeer!! Word is Kyle has a far worse disposition than Kurt and with the big blow out between Jack and Kurt I just can't see this happening. Roush would be far better off trying to get Ryan Newman from Penske in 08 in my opinion (and then I can wear my Ryan Newman Ford jacket from his rookie season again! And yes it still fits...I was fat then too!).

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You need to advise the appropriate teams on what other apparel you would like to wear again. :o

It couldn't make less sense than some of the driver moves in the last few years. :LAUGH: