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Post 588 and 552 may have nailed it.

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Where did you here this? If it's true, I wonder if they will except Budweiser for the sponsor cause Gibbs didn't want them as a sponsor.

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Few minutes ago on Fox as they are killing time due to rain delay. One of the first things that they said when they came on. If I heard correctly, Visa wanted in on the deal. Wife was yapping during the announcement.

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Kinda glad there is a rain delay. Our Fox station went out do to t-storms. :(

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Really does not look hopeful of getting the race in today.

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Our station came back on just in time to announce that the race will be tomorrow instead.

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They were talking about Visa a few weeks ago wanting to get Jr.. Its all up in the air still.

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Jr. with a spending limit. :31: :31:

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A moment of silence for the passing of Bill France...






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The Tony and Kurt show managed to stir up some...stuff this past Monday. Kurt was just stupid for pit road antics, but Tony's no angel and he should have never booted Kurt the way he did. Tony was clear to the inside for a clean pass, but IMHO chose to get in a cheap shot that NASCAR will probably choose to overlook. I'm not a KB fan, but he was baited...badly, although he should never have pulled what he did in the pits. He could have injured or killed someone and there is just no justification for that.
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I don't know what happened. I missed the entire race. :angry:

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Frances death and funeral have been at the top of discussions inthe NASCAR arena, so no fines, suspensions or penalties have been handed out.
The situation (from my point of view as a fan who cares little for wither driver) was that Tony and Kurt did some fender rubbing throughout the race. Later on Tony came up behind Kurt and gave him a bump which ended up putting him into the wall and sideways. Tony (IMHO) could have gone low and cleared Kurts car, but did not and prtty well punted him in the rear quarter. Once the cars came into the pits Tony was getting tires changed and Kurt ran right up on Tonys right side, nearly running over his jackman...I mean really, seriously, close. NASCAR then had Kurt pull into the garage for the remainder of the race (I don't know if the car was still viable anyway) and called his whole crew to the trailer for a conference. It was bad on many levels, and I've heard various versions of what happened form those whom I work with who are Stewart fans (it's not like I didn't watch this on TV!?!) and their version puts everythign on Kurts shoulders. Time, and NASCAR, will tell...:borg:

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Darn, to bad I missed most of that race. I saw only about the last 20 laps after I got home from work.

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Kurt's actions deserve more than a slap on the wrist penalty...it was more than his and Stewart's lives at risk with that move.

I'm not excusing Stewart as he was no angel, but it's no different than his on track behavior his entire career. He is one of the reasons that the "gentlemen's agreement" went out the door.

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Off topic, but I'm pretty pumped to be going on June 23rd to watch the Busch at the Milwaukee Mile. A lot of my friends hate racing and say its boring. I think thats just because they watch it on TV. When your there its a whole different story!

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:agree:

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Thanks for telling me what happened. There is never a good reason to spin out or even swerve at another car in the pits. Too many people walking around and doing pit stops. I'm sure they will replay it on the prerace show next week. I hope so. That way I can se it.

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Personally, I think that Stewart and Kurt Busch are a serious cancer to the sport. I'm fed up with year in and year out these two jokers are always in some kind of trouble, show no class, and show virtually no regard to any others out there.

For that matter, maybe they can recruit another idiot in Juan Pablo Montoya and take it somewhere else because it don't belong out there on race day.

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Kurt Bush fined 100k and 100 points, put on probation until 12/31/2007
He got off easy.
http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/head...lty/index.html
What a punk.

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Tony and Kurt what's makes racing fun Nascar needs some bad guys to keep the old Nascar alive not (PC Racers)

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Boy, they sure are cracking down with stiff punishments this year. I guess NASCAR means business.

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I think Kurt got what he deserved, but I think it's wrong that Tony got off scott free with his actions...
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I disagree. Pushing and shoving is one of the things that makes racing exciting and Rubberhead clearly came up on Stewart and caused his own wreck. Sure Tony could have given him a little more room but it's not like Busch was running on the apron either. The Busch brothers are buttheads and most of the drivers think they both drive recklessly (or is that WRECKlessly lol).

My problem was with what happened on pit road...Busch did come up fast on that jackman and with all the noise down there it's a lucky thing the poor guy even heard the car coming. Busch should have been suspended at least one race for that...

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:stupid:

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I still feel that Tony purposely tagged Busch instead of clearing him after Busch was already into the wall and out of control, sliding sideways. I'm sure it'll get replayed this weekend for those who haven't seen it.

On a less than impressive note, I see the highest qualifying Ford if 16th(!), behind two Toyotas and three Dodges. Biffle had to rely on owners points to get in and Bill Elliott, a past winner at Pocono, had to use a provisional to get in.
:borg:

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Rumor mill says Bifle might be in the #8 car next year. I don't know how true this is though.

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I agree with you on this one.

While Tony's stupidity was no where near as severe as Kurt's, it was still intentional in my opinion. And while it's true there are going to be good guys and bad guys to any sport, a bad guy in another sport is not likely to kill someone like they can in this sport. Again, I'm fed up with these two jokers.

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This is a good link to Busch's reply...but I have to spoil it for you on the best part...


Busch compares Stewart to...

Rosie O'Donnell!!!

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/head...lty/index.html

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I don't think what Kurt did was as bad as it appears and there is potential to hurt other drivers and FANS when wrecking another car on the track. Especially when you purposely hit them after they're wrecking. I would give them both a warning and take aggressive action the next screw up. I blame Tony more for this one. :SMASH:

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This is what I propose to NASCAR. For starters, Stewart is a jack-@$$ and a repeat offender and should have had some punishment levied on him, but I'm sick and tired of seeing guys retaliate on pit road. TIRED OF IT! From now on (if I were in charge) if one person was on pit road during a retaliation, whether the person was on one end of pit road, and the retaliation occurred all the the down on the other end, completely out of harms way, there would be a minimum of a 5 race suspension and a $100,000 fine. 2nd offense would be a 15 race suspension and a $1,000,000 fine. 3rd offense would ban you from NASCAR (all series) forever. I think that would put an end to this spineless crap! I wish NASCAR would let men be men by seriously hammering drivers for using their cars as weapons and letting face-to-face confrontations be the norm. Let the driver's decide the punishment for face-to-face confrontations. If Matt Kenseth wanted Jeff Gordon to be punished for shoving him, then let Matt Kenseth decide Gordon's fate. If Kurt Busch wants Jimmy Spencer to be punished for punching him in the face, then let Kurt Busch decide his fate, within reason. That way any driver who can drive like a jack-@$$ on the track, gets shoved by the driver they pi$$ed off, and wants the "prosecute" the person who shoved them, they would immediately look like a little b*tch to everyone. I think this system of humiliation would allow men to be men again, and the punks of the sport to be properly labeled.

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I think that next to the winners circle, NASCAR should set-up a boxing ring! Fox could pimp out another hour of our lives watching the after-race show.

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Or even make them monthly pay-per-view events with proceeds going to some worthy cause.

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Ok where are all the Earnhardt and Roush fans crying foul and fixed with another Hendricks and more specifically Gordon win. :OUCH:

I'm loving this season for the 24 car and hope while I'm up in Michigan next week I witness him crossing the finish line with his 5th win this year.

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Hendricks can win all the races they want. The first 26 races don't mean squat. We'll see in the last 10 races if Gordon's luck keeps up or he fades and burns.

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I'm keeping tight lipped on the Gordon and Johnson show! I hate to say it, but dang they are getting it done!

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Hendricks sure is getting it done alright! I feel like I'm working for them. We have a NASCAR pool at work (something like a football pool) and I won the last 4 weeks in a row. I think they are going to kick me off of it pretty soon. LOL

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:angry: LOL!

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He fell into another win. It would have been different with another few laps being run and it would have been WAY different with a restart. The thing is "would have" don't matter and this part of the season is going their way. If they keep running good and fate stays on their side, he is gonna be hard to beat.

This could be a year where Jeffy wishes there was NO chase. :smokin:

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Love the way Gordon backed into another win (kinda like the way he backs into JJ). Really liked JJ's finishing position...the way of the future for all the Hendricks rides.

(Has it, by chance, occurred to some that this is a Ford geared site. Just wondering?)

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:23:
Just can't deny the win column. :angry: Must of been a large donation made by the Hendricks Org. to France family.
Carl just cannot get it together so far this year. Need some backflips done before he gets to old to do them!

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His semi driver needs a shave too. :smokin:

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I know what you mean but I'm not really a Ford guy --- I'm a car guy. :smokin:

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I never said that Hendricks bought off anyone...only that the France family makes the decisions about what goes on. Sometimes I think that they have a dartboard that they use to make decisions.

Edit: possibly even a Magic 8 Ball

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I'm a car guy as well, but I do prefer blue oval products. It's just some people just seem to want to fan the flames...when they're standing in the pot...

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I know the type. :(


I like my water pretty hot. :23:

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Nope, but I did............ but we all know thats not true :3amin:

I do not cheer for a brand of car, I cheer for the driver who seems the most sportsman like or even family freindly. Although some may be great drivers, I won't like them for that alone, case being Stewart. He is a good driver but a complete bonehead!

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When it comes to Nascar I'm a fan of the driver not the manufacturer of the auto.(except Toyota). I like a Few Ford drivers, a few Dodge drivers, and a few Chevrolet drivers.

Now as for my personal rides, I do prefer the ole Blue Oval. This weekend I supported Ford by purchasing a Lincoln MKZ

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I agree. One more set of turns and Newman would have been in victory lane. :wall:

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Your right, no doubt about it. In fact Gordon after the race said that the car was really not a top 5 car that day. But great drivers with good teams find ways to steal a win and this is what happened. Crews can cost a driver a race big time, just ask Denny Hamlin about that.

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With the amount of talent at this level of racing, it is more about being at the right place at the right time than any skill. Whether we like their personality or not, every driver on the track has proven themselves and is a candidate to win any race. It's just a matter of luck.