View Full Version : 2004 Mach 1 F/S, new ORANGE- Chicago
splendo
10-22-2003, 03:10 PM
This is the first 2004 Competition Orange Mach 1 we have ever gotten at our dealership. The only option is the interior upgrade package. The car rolled off the truck two days ago. Also available is 1 in Blazing Yellow and 1 automatic in White. We are firm at MSRP on these cars ($29790 on the orange.) If interested please call or email. Thanks.
bryano
10-23-2003, 12:04 AM
Have you read through these forums??
MSRP?
Some of our members paid MSRP on '03's last spring, and recently other's have paid in the neighborhood of $24k. You ought to be ashamed! I hope nobody pays this. Let them sit on your blacktop for a while. Brothers - have patience! THE PRICE WILL FALL.
nuff said.
Jim G
10-23-2003, 01:53 AM
Well Chris – we can always dream. These cars a way over priced. I agree that you should be ashamed of posting this.
351c.i.d
10-23-2003, 05:34 AM
I agree. Dealers like you are vultures and should be ashamed of yourselves. May you sit on those cars forever. For others interested their are still more '03's to be had at great prices.
splendo
10-23-2003, 11:33 AM
The price I posted does not reflect the factory incentives that are available- you get another $2000 from Ford as well. In response to us being vultures- I was offering an 04 at MSRP less rebates while many of the people bought 03's cheap because the dealers couldn't offload them. In my area, Mach 1's never stay on our lot more than a week or so, 3 of them have sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot.
BTW 351 CI, can you get a Competition Orange 03? Why should you be able to buy one for the same price as an 03 that has been rotting on the lot of a dealer? OBVIOUSLY, 351, an 03 would be cheaper- IT IS LAST YEAR'S CAR.
All I was doing was posting for my manager, and HE sets the price. There is no reason I should get flamed by ignorant people like you- I am an enthusiast just like you guys (11.90s LS1 Z28), and I'm not trying to rip anybody off... If you guys cant afford to buy an 04, I'D BE HAPPY TO SELL YOU AN 03 AT INVOICE LESS REBATES.
So how am I a vulture now?
:confused: :confused: :confused:
NOMOCHEVYS
10-23-2003, 01:14 PM
In my area, Mach 1's never stay on our lot more than a week or so, 3 of them have sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot.
That is exactly what dealers in my area told me! What a joke!
I bought a 200 dollar plane ticket to save 6,752 dollars.
Be patient guys it pays.
Eric
splendo
10-23-2003, 01:19 PM
That was the truth.
:!!:
j2003mach1
10-23-2003, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by splendo
The price I posted does not reflect the factory incentives that are available- you get another $2000 from Ford as well. In response to us being vultures- I was offering an 04 at MSRP less rebates while many of the people bought 03's cheap because the dealers couldn't offload them. In my area, Mach 1's never stay on our lot more than a week or so, 3 of them have sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot.
BTW 351 CI, can you get a Competition Orange 03? Why should you be able to buy one for the same price as an 03 that has been rotting on the lot of a dealer? OBVIOUSLY, 351, an 03 would be cheaper- IT IS LAST YEAR'S CAR.
All I was doing was posting for my manager, and HE sets the price. There is no reason I should get flamed by ignorant people like you- I am an enthusiast just like you guys (11.90s LS1 Z28), and I'm not trying to rip anybody off... If you guys cant afford to buy an 04, I'D BE HAPPY TO SELL YOU AN 03 AT INVOICE LESS REBATES.
So how am I a vulture now?
:confused: :confused: :confused:
I can buy a comp orange 04 for invoice now.anyone want info i will pass it on.this car is on the ground and ready to roll
NOMOCHEVYS
10-23-2003, 01:50 PM
http://www.brandonford.com
Mind you this is not an 04 and colors are limited but for 22795
I can live my second or third choice. Splendo, nothing against you
personally, but you should really brouse these forums before
making posts like you did. Or, Maybe your boss should. Most
of the folks on this forum have forgotten more about these cars
than most dealers know. Im not saying that is true about you
simply because you drive a ls1. Im making a generalized statement and i think most folks will agree with it. Good luck
to you and I hope you sell a lot of cars.
Eric
jspalmer01
10-23-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by splendo
The price I posted does not reflect the factory incentives that are available- you get another $2000 from Ford as well. In response to us being vultures- I was offering an 04 at MSRP less rebates while many of the people bought 03's cheap because the dealers couldn't offload them. In my area, Mach 1's never stay on our lot more than a week or so, 3 of them have sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot.
BTW 351 CI, can you get a Competition Orange 03? Why should you be able to buy one for the same price as an 03 that has been rotting on the lot of a dealer? OBVIOUSLY, 351, an 03 would be cheaper- IT IS LAST YEAR'S CAR.
All I was doing was posting for my manager, and HE sets the price. There is no reason I should get flamed by ignorant people like you- I am an enthusiast just like you guys (11.90s LS1 Z28), and I'm not trying to rip anybody off... If you guys cant afford to buy an 04, I'D BE HAPPY TO SELL YOU AN 03 AT INVOICE LESS REBATES.
So how am I a vulture now?
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Splendo,
Please understand that price is VERY sensitive on this board right now. Ford mislead a lot of people into thinking this car was a more limited edition car than it ended up to be. And secondly, because Ford built more than they stated they would build, many sat on lots in the summer and folks got great deals while many others had to pay MSRP who ordered early....like me...but never again. MSRP price (on 04's) is going to upset quite a few on this forum. You might want to talk to your boss about a better price.
bryano
10-23-2003, 02:22 PM
Sure - NOW the rebate gets in the mix! Jesus.
See? This is the sort of thing that perpetuates the Shark image of "Sales Consultants." I can't understand it, either.
Here's an idea, Splendo - give a straightforward price up front that allows you and your store to make a decent buck. Don't try to gouge the market. I hope your exposure to the "ignorant" people on this sight teaches you a lesson. One of the benefits of this site is becoming informed - so we can go to your Shark Tank better prepared.
(trade the LS1 for something that runs and is reliable)
351c.i.d
10-23-2003, 02:44 PM
My statement still stands. People like you are vultures. And if realizing the fact that MSRP is an insult and a joke and knowing how much ******** that is makes me ignorant, then you might as well label the bulk of the members from this website ignorant.
Between ford and you pricks jacking up the hype on these cars, it's no wonder '03's have been "rotting" on lots across the country.
NOMOCHEVYS
10-23-2003, 02:53 PM
The moral to this story is to not post something on these
boards that has the least bit of B/S smell to it. You will
be called out on it and owned. If you can sell the mach's in
less than 24 hours for MSRP you sure as heck dont need to
post it here.
Eric
351c.i.d
10-23-2003, 02:53 PM
For those of you who don't want to get violated by pricks like these, go to this site and download this short book.
Reading this saved me THOUSANDS on my mach. Coming to the bargaining table with all the true numbers gives you a lot of leverage and most dealers don't expect you to have this knowledge.
It's worth the download time....trust me.
car buying strategies (http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/download.html)
Jim P
10-23-2003, 04:13 PM
Mr. Salesman,
I cant tell you your buisness, but things are a little upsetting on my end right now. I paid MSRP for my car due to the fact (as one of the others posted) I thought this was a limited production car. I watched while the prices dropped at the end of the year to numbers as low as $22,500. Sorry if most dont jump at what you offer but I would be willing to bet a lot of folks wait until the end of '04 for the same kind of benefits on the orange. Unfortunatly I dont think the Mach 1 will sell for full price to often this year.
BTW - might re-read what you have posted on your second post to this thread. "In my area, Mach 1's never stay on our lot more than a week or so, 3 of them have sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot."
a few lines down from that "If you guys cant afford to buy an 04, I'D BE HAPPY TO SELL YOU AN 03 AT INVOICE LESS REBATES."
I dont know how you can sell one if they didnt stay on your lot. I dont believe they are still shipping '03s out. Just typical Salesman BS!
Thanks,
Jim
hotrodnut
10-23-2003, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Jim P
"In my area, Mach 1's never stay on our lot more than a week or so, 3 of them have sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot."
a few lines down from that "If you guys cant afford to buy an 04, I'D BE HAPPY TO SELL YOU AN 03 AT INVOICE LESS REBATES."
Thanks,
Jim
:LAUGH: :LAUGH: BUSTED! :LAUGH: :LAUGH:
j2003mach1
10-23-2003, 04:39 PM
Look everyone i am an owner and salesman of used cars.Now this guy was told to post this on the website by his boss.I too am one of the people that paid sticker and now am 6000 upside down.it sucks but it is not his fault.Its ford! I enjoy everyone's input on this site and I feel kinda funny you guys talkin crap about car salesman.We work hard long hours believe me it sucks working 6 days a week 12 hours a day.Him selling it for sticker is wrong and i know that but give him a break.managers of new car lots are very money hungry people,all they care about is bean counting.I got teh big spill about how limited these cars were in 03 and they bring 3000 to 5000 over sticker and will keep there values speach.I knew it was ******** and i think all you guys did to.at least a majority of you did.Lets stop flamin. he wont sell it for sticker at least not on here especially after these posts.keep up the great info:THUMBSUP:
bryano
10-23-2003, 04:46 PM
J2003 - I understand - but HE'S the one that stuck is foot in here.
If you can't run with the Mach's - stay in the driveway.
Perhaps he'll tell his "boss."
MACH & ROLL
10-23-2003, 04:51 PM
Splendo,
I think a valuable lesson was learned here. This site is great source of info, not a place to sell.:(
03SHKR
10-23-2003, 05:10 PM
When I saw 18 replies about a car for sale, I figured something was either wrong, or very cool... Oh well... :SMASH:
splendo
10-23-2003, 05:40 PM
Here we go, guys- I've got a few rebuttals to your childish flaming:
1: If I sold you an 03, I would have to dealer trade for it- we don't have one on the lot, LIKE I SAID.
2: It's not my fault that Ford made this a higher-volume car after stating it was to be limited production.
3: Trade the LS1 for something that runs and is reliable? I didn't want to bring it up, but here goes. Most of you "pricks" on this site I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISH WITH MY Z28- I THINK THAT THIS IS PRETTY COMMON KNOWLEDGE. THE BULK OF YOU HARDASSES WOULD BE THE ONES GETTING OWNED. BTW, the LS1 has been on Ward's 10 best engines list since it came out. It must suck to know in the pit of your stomach that if you line up against anything LS1-powered that has even light mods you will probably get your doors blown off, right Jim P, 351, bryan, NOMO?:D :SMASH: :p :mad: :!!:
Thanks, JS2003 for not flaming- I appreciate that. I had good intentions in posting... At least you being a salesman understand that it makes sense that people can't buy 03s for the same money as 04s, right?
On another note, I'll give you guys props, you have a nice site here. And the only Mustangs I respect.
COOLTOOL
10-23-2003, 06:07 PM
Here it goes... I paid just below MSRP for my 03 mach, a few months back. Yes, it does suck knowing how much I could have saved, but I still love my car!:D As for all the back and forth bickering, it just makes everyone look bad. (Including members of this forum). My advice, just enjoy your cars, and definitely don't allow others (especially non members) too get under your skin.:SMASH: I mean would any of you trust a dealer anyway, regardless what someone posted on this forum. Hell, my uncle was a car dealer for a while, and during that time even I trusted him less.
P.S. To all car dealers (not splendo in particular): Don't be so surprised at all the harsh criticism. I mean when you work in such a dishonest business, what can you really expect.
By the way splendo, where do you work? Is there any chance I can get a job there. I mean, it must be great to have a boss that would condone childish bashing on car forums. :confused:
Jim P
10-23-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by splendo
Here we go, guys- I've got a few rebuttals to your childish flaming:
1: If I sold you an 03, I would have to dealer trade for it- we don't have one on the lot, LIKE I SAID.
2: It's not my fault that Ford made this a higher-volume car after stating it was to be limited production.
3: Trade the LS1 for something that runs and is reliable? I didn't want to bring it up, but here goes. Most of you "pricks" on this site I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISH WITH MY Z28- I THINK THAT THIS IS PRETTY COMMON KNOWLEDGE. THE BULK OF YOU HARDASSES WOULD BE THE ONES GETTING OWNED. BTW, the LS1 has been on Ward's 10 best engines list since it came out. It must suck to know in the pit of your stomach that if you line up against anything LS1-powered that has even light mods you will probably get your doors blown off, right Jim P, 351, bryan, NOMO?:D
Thanks, JS2003 for not flaming- I appreciate that. I had good intentions in posting... At least you being a salesman understand that it makes sense that people can't buy 03s for the same money as 04s, right?
On another note, I'll give you guys props, you have a nice site here. And the only Mustangs I respect.
Dont take anything I said to heart. Just stating how I felt. Do what you have to do to sell. No doubt your LS1 will beat some of us. I didnt say one word about it. I had one myself. The main thing I did do to you was quote some contradiction in your statement. Just as you have freedom of speech on this website, unfortunatly so does everyone else. Take it or leave it. :CHEERS:
bryano
10-23-2003, 06:17 PM
Spendo - Splendo - Speedo - whatever ...
My - we're a bit - prickly about our no-longer-in-production Bow Tie! I was obviously just pushing a button - and apparently it was engaged. I don't care what you drive. What I care about is - integrity. Instead of coming into our 'hood and dissin' us - try coming here (like everyone else does) and giving us some useful information. We have a lot of salesmen here - and cops - and bikers - and very bright English professors (!) - don't insult our intelligence. Respect yourself, man. Treat us the way you'd like to be treated. Now - about your LS1 - you can probably yank that "motor" and install a LeMan's winning Ford engine in there - but wait - we don't like HALF OUR ENGINE UNDER THE FIREWALL!
splendo
10-23-2003, 06:27 PM
I didn't mean to direct the ls1 comment at everybody, but the "get something that runs and is reliable" comment was below the belt, and I felt kinda unnecessary. I never flamed Mach 1's and like I said I despise all mustangs but the mach 1. As far as this business is concerned, I realize that it has a dishonest stereotype, but that doesn't mean that I personally am a liar; I like to think of myself as an honorable person so that I can sleep well at night after a long day at work. Many people have no understanding that it is difficult to work at a job where the consumer hates you before he/she even meets you.
Just so you all know, there is a dealer in this area that marks all Machs up $2000 from jump street- MSRP or a little under is considered fair in this area at this time on 04 Machs... How do I know? We have sold them with no problem. Maybe Machs in the areas that you guys are in are a little soft in the market. I don't know- I can't explain regional demand, but it makes sense that It would be different for these cars region to region. I apologize to all that felt insulted, again, I was just doing what I was told and that price is pretty much where we're having no problem selling them. :CHEERS:
splendo
10-23-2003, 06:29 PM
bryano- wasn't an ls1- based motor in the Vette that won the Rolex 24 hours this year?:confused:
splendo
10-23-2003, 06:31 PM
And, I wasn't trying to insult anyone, bryano- but I guess some are more sensitive than others.
bryano
10-23-2003, 06:32 PM
Okay - I understand - it's a buyer's market.
You sound like a decent guy. I know all about stereotypes.
You're in a very competitive business.
I wish you well.
Just keep that LS1 in the right lane if you see something Yellow looming in your mirrors.
splendo
10-23-2003, 06:47 PM
Fair enough- but we can go on 3 honks, right?:THUMBSUP: :CHEERS:
Thanks for understanding.:)
j2003mach1
10-23-2003, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by COOLTOOL
Here it goes... I paid just below MSRP for my 03 mach, a few months back. Yes, it does suck knowing how much I could have saved, but I still love my car!:D As for all the back and forth bickering, it just makes everyone look bad. (Including members of this forum). My advice, just enjoy your cars, and definitely don't allow others (especially non members) too get under your skin.:SMASH: I mean would any of you trust a dealer anyway, regardless what someone posted on this forum. Hell, my uncle was a car dealer for a while, and during that time even I trusted him less.
P.S. To all car dealers (not splendo in particular): Don't be so surprised at all the harsh criticism. I mean when you work in such a dishonest business, what can you really expect.
By the way splendo, where do you work? Is there any chance I can get a job there. I mean, it must be great to have a boss that would condone childish bashing on car forums. :confused:
Thats not cool man! car business is not a dishonest business.Now im pissed! what do you do for a living? let me tell you something you got a problem with me heres my number
405-924-8457
maybe we can talk this out about bashing my trade
*******
jbrad88
10-23-2003, 07:45 PM
I deal with the integrity issue with cars every day. Is it right for a dealer shop to charge EXCESSIVE amounts just because they can get away with it? Is it right for any business to charge whatever they want for something? Is it ethical?
there was a situation recently where a shop here in town tried to charge 800.00 to spray tuner cleaner on an alternator and a starter that were exposed to minor street flooding. that was 8 hours at 100.00 per hour. And by the way, neither part was exposed to the water!!! To do an operation that (if they actually did it) would take all of about 5 minutes FOR BOTH. The average customer would get raped like that everytime. IS THAT ETHICAL?
Remember, to the dealership it is about business only. Sure some are interested in your coming back, but not because they want anything other than you to buy what they are selling. That is business.
Service=retaining customers. If you keep your customer base loyal, you will sell more of your product or service. The smart business people (imho) are willing to maybe give up a little profit on one job or sale, to secure future sales. That is smart business. You do not try to hit the home run on every unit you sell. You will not establish a loyal customer base.
If my dealership had not moved off sticker I probably still would have bought the car. However, if there were mark ups I would have just walked away. I could easily have done so with the coupe sitting in the garage.
As far as this thread is concerned, I would not buy from this dealer if the sales manager is that worried about the absolute max dollar. you can tell that very quickly when dealing with the salesmen.
JMHO
MACH & ROLL
10-23-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by John and Renae
I deal with the integrity issue with cars every day. Is it right for a dealer shop to charge EXCESSIVE amounts just because they can get away with it? Is it right for any business to charge whatever they want for something? Is it ethical?
there was a situation recently where a shop here in town tried to charge 800.00 to spray tuner cleaner on an alternator and a starter that were exposed to minor street flooding. that was 8 hours at 100.00 per hour. And by the way, neither part was exposed to the water!!! To do an operation that (if they actually did it) would take all of about 5 minutes FOR BOTH. The average customer would get raped like that everytime. IS THAT ETHICAL?
Remember, to the dealership it is about business only. Sure some are interested in your coming back, but not because they want anything other than you to buy what they are selling. That is business.
Service=retaining customers. If you keep your customer base loyal, you will sell more of your product or service. The smart business people (imho) are willing to maybe give up a little profit on one job or sale, to secure future sales. That is smart business. You do not try to hit the home run on every unit you sell. You will not establish a loyal customer base.
If my dealership had not moved off sticker I probably still would have bought the car. However, if there were mark ups I would have just walked away. I could easily have done so with the coupe sitting in the garage.
As far as this thread is concerned, I would not buy from this dealer if the sales manager is that worried about the absolute max dollar. you can tell that very quickly when dealing with the salesmen.
JMHO
There is a big difference with being ethical and asking MSRP for '04 Mach 1. Unfortunately, new cars are the only thing you can go on the internet and find what dealer cost is. You can't do that for any other product we buy. If a dealer wants to make 10% profit on a vehicle he's a crook, while most products we buy are marked up many times more than that. The beauty of what a dealer is asking for a car is that you can always say no. It is very common for retail products(of any kind) to go down in price with time. Best bet is to not go to his store, but don't worry someone will buy it.
jbrad88
10-23-2003, 11:32 PM
The question of ethical is more a rehtorical question.
Every business needs to make money to survive. I agree that the nice thing about buying a vehicle is that there is soooo much information out there to assist the buying public in making an informed choice, and giving them an idea of what a reasonable price. We all have to take into account our own responsibilities when we are making a purchase such as this car. As was previously stated, we can always walk away and go to another dealer.
Do I personally think a dealer is a crook for making a 10% profit on a vehicle they sell? Not necessarily. I see it all the time though, where people because of their own ignorance get caught up paying enourmous amounts for cars that are worth nothing. Why, because some sales person saw them coming. It can be a fine line. How much profit is too much? Who has the right to determine that? Is there an ethical line in sales that you do not cross because you are knowingly taking advantage of a customer? When someone takes advantage of a customer knowingly should they be held accountable?
I do not pretend to have the answers here folks...Just some questions to ponder.
bryano
10-23-2003, 11:42 PM
Dealers and salesmen know what they have in a unit. They know what a reasonable price is. Their philosophy (IMHO) is this: get as much as you can all the time. Period. Isn't it interesting how we usually pay the asking price for just about everything else we buy.
When did this "negotiating" start with car buying?
You go to Sears - you pay what they ask for the lawn tractor. Period. Wouldn't that be great with cars? Man.
jbrad88
10-24-2003, 12:01 AM
good point. we pretty much just accept the price on anything. We are all guilty of that. I guess the car thing hits home because it is such a huge amount of money for most people. And that holds true if you can afford a mach or a focus...
When was the last time any of us out here in Mach 1 Land negotiated a price for something other than a car??? or maybe the purchase of a house?
jspalmer01
10-24-2003, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by John and Renae
good point. we pretty much just accept the price on anything. We are all guilty of that. I guess the car thing hits home because it is such a huge amount of money for most people. And that holds true if you can afford a mach or a focus...
When was the last time any of us out here in Mach 1 Land negotiated a price for something other than a car??? or maybe the purchase of a house?
Actually I negotiate on a lot of things....especially higher $ value items. True most people don't negotiate at the grocery store, in the mall, or a lot of retail places. You can negotiate houses, appliances, contracted work (like roofing or any home improvements), etc. as examples. Almost everything is negotiable if you want to try.
NOMOCHEVYS
10-24-2003, 09:26 AM
I think its safe to say that splendo wont be selling any cars
to anyone on this website.:p
bryano
10-24-2003, 09:38 AM
Perhaps he will - if he can match or beat the competition.
That's what so cool about the net - I shopped 3 states and found pricing varied by $2k - my guy in Richmond WANTED TO SELL. He got the deal. Dale Jarrett Ford over by Charlotte was adding $2500.00 to MSRP - market adjustment they called it. I told them Dale should win more races and make less per unit! (a month ago they had 14 SVT Mustangs - I hope they still do)
splendo
10-24-2003, 11:57 AM
... If you buy a car at Carmax. They don't negotiate at all, and most people that buy cars there could have bought at a dealer cheaper BECAUSE we negotiate. I would imagine that people go to carmax an pay more than they need to just because they are too scared to negotiate. All people have to do to be successful at the negotiating table at most dealers is:
1 A good attitude (save the cockiness, It seems that some people think that they are better than the salesman.) If you take that attitude with me, I don't care what kind of deal you get, or if you get t-boned leaving the lot in anger. If you are nice and personable, I ACTUALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU A GOOD DEAL- for 2 reasons: It's quicker, and I want you to come back to me in a few years to buy your next car.
2 Information- Know what a fair price for the car is. Understand that we do need to make SOMETHING on the car. Isn't that fair?
3 Honesty (tell me what you'll buy the car for-play no "gimme your best price and i'll shop you to every dealer in the area until you get beat by $50 regardless of how nice I was treated" games.
I apologize for seeming out of line with my first post or any other one, but I know a lot of other salesman, and I'm better than most (with the way I treat people.) I'm confident that most of my detractors on this site would be happy when they left my dealership if they bought a car from me.
:)
Originally posted by splendo
2: It's not my fault that Ford made this a higher-volume car after stating it was to be limited production.
Just to emphasize once again, that change was made before the first production Mach 1 left the factory. If it being limited was important to a buyer, they could have known about the change. Dare I add, should have taken the time to know before they accepted delivery.
It was posted here, by at least two different members, and subsequently talked about. If we all knew about it here, others could have found out too. If they wanted to know.
fastgenious
10-24-2003, 01:37 PM
Buyers set the market, not the sellers. If someone is dumb enough to purchase a Mach 1 at retail, its their $ to spend. If I had a Mach 1 for sale and a buyer was willing to pay full price, GREAT. Take advantage of the current deals, because they will not be around forever.
bryano
10-24-2003, 02:04 PM
Splendo - You're a changed man!
This is exciting. This forum has become a learning experience for everyone. Remarkable. Read your first post - then the last.
This is so cool.
It's kinda like Pay it Forward!
Now - go sell some cars and give polite, informed people a good deal. Your sex life will improve!
And - you'll sleep so much better.
Thanks for giving us your insights.
You've become an asset to the Registry.
COOLTOOL
10-24-2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by j2003mach1
Thats not cool man! car business is not a dishonest business.Now im pissed! what do you do for a living? let me tell you something you got a problem with me heres my number
405-924-8457
maybe we can talk this out about bashing my trade
*******
Like I said, even my uncle was a car dealer. The nice thing about that was he actually let us (the family) actually no how dishonest dealerships are. Granted, he does not work at any dealerships any more, but he was in the business long enough to know all about the two faced backstabing. Just the other day he was saying, "my floor manager used to tell me, after you go back with the new offer (to the customer), don't say anything until the customer speaks, otherwise you lose." "He who speak first, loses." What that all about? :confused: How can I trust someone who doesn't trust me.
P.S. I not bashing dealers just because, I actually had the inside scoop to what really goes on.
First off, when you are doing business the salesman is NOT your friend. You can be friendly but never let it get to a friend type of atmosphere. Business is business and that is all! I worked as a salesman helping out a family member at a new car lot also. You know 1 (of many)thing that helps a salesman be successful LONG TERM in sales? Product knowledge and the belief in that product. I don't know how many times I have corrected salespeople about info thy give me on the car I am looking at. As a buyer one must reasearch, research, and research some more. This will include facts about the car(specs,available options) and pricing. Just letting the salesman know these things casually gives them something to think about. !An informed consumer! Not all the time but especially the older salesman it seems to me KNOW that they are going to need to shoot a little straighter in the dealing process or they will risk insulting you. Don't let them make you think you have to pay those FEES. I never have. Hell, I can run down to the court house myself and register the thing. Ford always gives the dealer a sales kick back for selling a car. Since I had to deler locate my Mach the dealer that had it got that money for the sale. MY memory is failing and can't remember what that money is called. I'll find out later. There is money floating around in a deal if you just KNOW about it. LASTLY, I promise, the most important OF ALL, BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY. Be patient and be willing to do some travelling. I hope I helped some out there maybe looking for a Mach or ANY new car.
splendo
10-24-2003, 04:58 PM
Maybe I'm just not a "typical salesman," but I have made friends with a handful of people I sold cars to. I have gone dirtbiking more than a few times with a customer that I still keep in touch with...
Cool, what "he who speaks first loses" is is a rule in negotiating- pretty much anybody that negotiates anything for a living or on a regular basis has heard this rule. It is just a negotiating tactic, and it isn't dishonest. It is basically a confidence thing- if a salesman comes back into the deal with numbers, he reads them to the customer, and then SHUTS UP. Anybody negotiating anything would be a fool to speak before the customer or person on the other side of the table rebuts your offer. This is for a few reasons:
1: If you are trying to hold some gross profit, speaking first makes you look nervous. "Why are you justifying your numbers before I have said anything about them? Are you overselling to make the sale at these numbers?"
2: Who knows, the customer might say yes.
3: Not speaking applies pressure to the other person because the silence is uncomfortable. A weak negotiator might cave just because they can't handle the awkwardness of the silence. Not a good move. How do you combat this? Find out how much of a negotiator you are by not speaking. This puts the pressure on both of you, and a good negotiator will not say anything until spoken to because you will have 1 of 3 things happen:
a: The customer says OK to the deal.
b: The customer makes a counter-offer.
c: The dealer lowers his price before he has to.
Oh boy- I don't want to negotiate with any of you guys now after that schpiel. It'll wind up being an hour-long silent negotiation.:LAUGH: :CHEERS:
bryano
10-24-2003, 05:06 PM
Now I feel dorky for speaking first when I bought my wife's V6 two days after we got mine. He just stood there and I thought for about a full minute, then made a counter.
I'll try this next time! What a dork.
I might have saved a few hundred.
COOLTOOL
10-24-2003, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by splendo
Maybe I'm just not a "typical salesman," but I have made friends with a handful of people I sold cars to. I have gone dirtbiking more than a few times with a customer that I still keep in touch with...
Cool, what "he who speaks first loses" is is a rule in negotiating- pretty much anybody that negotiates anything for a living or on a regular basis has heard this rule. It is just a negotiating tactic, and it isn't dishonest. It is basically a confidence thing- if a salesman comes back into the deal with numbers, he reads them to the customer, and then SHUTS UP. Anybody negotiating anything would be a fool to speak before the customer or person on the other side of the table rebuts your offer. This is for a few reasons:
1: If you are trying to hold some gross profit, speaking first makes you look nervous. "Why are you justifying your numbers before I have said anything about them? Are you overselling to make the sale at these numbers?"
2: Who knows, the customer might say yes.
3: Not speaking applies pressure to the other person because the silence is uncomfortable. A weak negotiator might cave just because they can't handle the awkwardness of the silence. Not a good move. How do you combat this? Find out how much of a negotiator you are by not speaking. This puts the pressure on both of you, and a good negotiator will not say anything until spoken to because you will have 1 of 3 things happen:
a: The customer says OK to the deal.
b: The customer makes a counter-offer.
c: The dealer lowers his price before he has to.
Oh boy- I don't want to negotiate with any of you guys now after that schpiel. It'll wind up being an hour-long silent negotiation.:LAUGH: :CHEERS:
And that is literally what has happened to my uncle, a few times. 20-30 minutes, just sitting there silent.:SMASH: I couldn't even believe him when he first told me. Now to me, and this is just personal, but I consider that very rude. If I am planning on spending thousands of dollars at your business, you better well talk to me. I appreciate personable people. If you set a piece of paper in front of me with a bunch of numbers, and don't say anything, then I have no choice but to leave. Especially after 20-30 minutes.
P.S. Again, this is not directed at anyone in particular, just my personal feelings.
j2003mach1
10-24-2003, 07:31 PM
I have been in the business for 13 years and have never seen so much skill to dealing with dealers.geeeeees i must be a softy.The silent thing well lets say like the last posts this was a guy that sold cars a while ago.There are such things like the net now that limit anyone making a killing on anything.I dont do the silent treatment it doesnt work for me. I just use a baseball bat (just kidding) ..... actually i just shoot people straight.Really its not hard.If the price works for you fine if it doesnt thats fine also.If i buy something and get a real good buy on it....I pass it on to the next guy.My big money is made on the back end of the note.basically you mark up the extras.
my markup on used cars is only around 5 to 8%.bread at the local store is marked up more than that.It is not hard to deal with dealers.Now when a dealer is a money hungry theif then stay away.If the salesman is a good person to you and you feel comfortable then try to deal with him.The silent thing works only when closing a deal.Not dealing price.example........
hello sir here is your contract.
I gave you a great interest rate ( your by rate)
and here are your payments (you know he wanted 275 but the payments are 310)
be silent
then he says " i wanted 275"
You say "i included a 3 year warranty...did you not want that?"
silent......
he says "oh o.k. that sounds good!"
or he says "no did not"
you then say "no problem let me take that off"
its all over now
now was that so hard?
please remember i dont sell new just used.
I understand the stereotype of old used car salesman such as the previous members uncle but those days are over at least here in my state.there is too much competition.
now lets talk about another trade.....how about attorney's
take it easy guys... oh and sorry for blowing up but i just dont care for people bashing on my trade.I am proud to be an owner operator fo a used car lot.I work long hard hours and respect my customers as they respect me
hyepwrd
10-25-2003, 01:47 AM
bashing ford for overproduction of what was supposed to be a limited production car is out of place here, but is a cause for lawsuit, but not a reason to bash a guy for trying to sell a 2004.
everyone knows salesmen make commission and msrp is only 'suggested' (the S in mSrp).
what ford did to you guys is wrong, but the local sales people are not to blame. they're vultures, true, but only if you let yourself become victimized.
ethics is not the issue; knowledge on how to buy cars is. to be honest, any prepaid purchase on a new line is going to be msrp or with a heavy premium. i'm not in sales but its just common sense. do you think the 05's will go for anything near invoice the first 6 months they're out?
Jim G
10-25-2003, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by splendo
...
1 A good attitude (save the cockiness, It seems that some people think that they are better than the salesman.) If you take that attitude with me, I don't care what kind of deal you get, or if you get t-boned leaving the lot in anger. If you are nice and personable, I ACTUALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU A GOOD DEAL- for 2 reasons: It's quicker, and I want you to come back to me in a few years to buy your next car.
2 Information- Know what a fair price for the car is. Understand that we do need to make SOMETHING on the car. Isn't that fair?
3 Honesty (tell me what you'll buy the car for-play no "gimme your best price and i'll shop you to every dealer in the area until you get beat by $50 regardless of how nice I was treated" games.
...
IMO, this honesty thing is really a two way street. What you are asking for is a customer to just tell you what they will pay. How about you just bring out the invoice, show it to them, and then tell them what you will sell the car for. This is what the fleet department does, and it is amazing how many happy customers they have. I can’t tell you how many times friends and people at work have told me that when they buys cars they go to the fleet department.
Personally, I do not mind salesmen at all. The person that I really dislike is the finance person. I have also purchased from dealers that have an accessories person that they make you talk to before finance. That person will try to steal your own two front teeth. I find it funny how customers are really on guard for the salesman screwing them out of money. Once the deal on the car is made, they think it is smooth sailing. Then they go burn $1500 with the accessories guy and another $2000 with the finance person. Kind of strange how someone will spend the time to get car prices to prepare to deal with the salesman, but will openly buy from the accessories guy and finance person with doing no preparation at all.
Back in April I purchased a Ram 2500 PU. I knew I would be financing close to 100% so I decided to look into gap insurance. So I call up my American Family Insurance Agent and get a quote on insuring the truck. She gives me a quote and tells me that gap insurance is $4.95/month extra and can be canceled at any time. So I go to the dealer figuring I would need the gap insurance for 30 months and it would run @ $150 total. The finance guy quotes me $595 and then proceeds to tell me his cost is $495. Kind of amazing how much money you can save with some up front homework.
bryano
10-25-2003, 09:55 AM
Here's how it could work on the 2005's.
This is very simple supply and demand.
If enough of us just have patience - and let the new ones gather a bit of dust - the price will lower. Period. Why did they get all that money for the stinking PT Cruisers? People didn't have patience. I'd love to be the first guy in town with an '05 - but I'm not - not - going to pay big money - and then be sitting here 12 months later kicking myself. I've got an '03 - and I've got time! (from what I've seen - I'm not convinced I'll even WANT an '05 - the interior looks cheap retro - not tasteful retro)
Some will buy no matter what - hopefully most of us will wait.
Y'all have a great weekend with your Machs!
hyepwrd
10-25-2003, 05:55 PM
the only people who will buy the 05's when they first come out will be the ones willing to pay a few thousand above msrp or if they're lucky the msrp.
i tried to buy a eclipse when they first came out with the new body design. they looked at me like i was from mars because i refused to bay $7,000 above msrp. when they came with the pt cruiser, i know someone who paid 26k for it (not counting interest and taxes).
Mustangs are known for high volume, low cost, but they'll finish pushing ALL the 04's before they get near invoice on the 05.
i agree with you, the 05's dont leave much in appearance, but maybe some BOSS/MACH type appearance mods (black scoop, spoilers, ect) will really spice one up. There is a pic somewhere on a message board that i saw of a 05 with typical mach appearance mods; it looked sweet.
carcrazyguy
10-26-2003, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by NOMOCHEVYS
If you can sell the mach's in
less than 24 hours for MSRP you sure as heck dont need to
post it here.
Eric
My thoughts exactly!!
MSRP:SMASH:
GaPonyFarm
10-26-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by DanK
Ford always gives the dealer a sales kick back for selling a car. Since I had to deler locate my Mach the dealer that had it got that money for the sale. MY memory is failing and can't remember what that money is called. I'll find out later.
Its called holdback money..... and probably won't apply if your dealer bought the car outright from another dealer, which is the case with alot of the 03 Mach 1s out there now. Its also not as much as one might think. For the Mach its around $700.00 and even that probably fluctuates depending one the dealership.
Yeah, it is called holdback. I thought that's what it was called but I wouldn't say til I was sure. I was thinking the holdback was around $500? Maybe it varies by region. They did buy it outright. It would be the dealer that sold it to my dealer who got the holdback money.
somckinney
10-26-2003, 08:57 PM
Enough already.
Five Oh B
11-05-2003, 04:00 PM
Holdback is NOT profit for a dealership. It is 3% of base MSRP given by Ford (and most every car manufacturer) to the dealer to offset the cost of interest the dealer pays on the vehicle while it sits unsold on the lot. It covers about 90 days of interest, so it is pretty much a wash when you average the holdback vs interest on the entire new car inventory at a dealership.
There are currently NO 'kickbacks' for dealers on Mustangs, and I don't remember ever seeing any on Mustangs. Some very hard to sell vehicles do have kickbacks - it's called 'dealer cash', but you should know that many dealers (like us) use that money to lower the price on those hard to sell models thereby the money is getting passed on to the consumer not going into the dealers pocket.
DaMach1Guy
12-19-2003, 01:50 PM
I DIDNT KNOW A CAR SALESMEN COULD AFFORD A 12 SECOND CAR WHAT DID YOU GET IS FOR 3000 BELOW MSRP YOU DUMB ***
Blowngt92
12-19-2003, 03:16 PM
I am actually pretty offended by alot of you guys flaming on the car business. I am a car salesman and love doing it. I sell cars because I am a huge car fanatic and nothing else. Selling cars is not about taking avantage of customers, it is not about about making ever dollar you possibly can. The business is about assisting customers in the purchase of their vehicles, giving them a FAIR deal while making a FAIR profit. If everyone was to give cars away for what they had in them there would be no car business, and put yourself in a dealers position. If you owned a Dealership you would want to make a fair profit, but as consumers most of you will argue over a few hundered dollars. Just because you paid MSRP or close to it does not give you the right to complain about dealers being vultures and being profit hungary. What hurt alot of you guys in the INCENTIVES that ford put on the vehicles!! a 3000 or 4000 rebate hurt you alot more than the 1800 dollars markup from invoice to sticker. I don't care about how many books you have read or how much research you do the fact reamains that 90% of the books and information out there is FALSE. I have looked up invoices for our vehicles on the net and I have yet to find one that has been accurate. Most of the time they are about 500-1000 off from what "our cost is". Different regions in the United States have different pricing on their vehicles. I know myself as a Salesman, I refuse to take advantage of a customer for one reason. Success in the Sales Business has to do with a long lasting relationship and repeat business. Since most people nowadays trade within 3 yrs, you screw someone over, you just lost that future business from them because they will owe way to much on their vehicle. Please stop flaming car salesman and the business, especially when you have never been in the business and have to idea about what it is or how it works!:SMASH: :THUMBSUP:
bryano
12-19-2003, 03:54 PM
You're fighting a losing battle here, I'm afraid. You may be everything you say you are - and I hope you are. Trouble is, the buyer has no way of knowing that. I've bought a lot of cars and trucks - and usually I knew more about the vehicle than they did. Repeat customers? That might have been more valid say 20 years ago. Now, there are so many makes, and pricing plans, etc., I think more and more people try different cars, IMHO.
Car salesman/women used to be necessary - there were so many options to choose from they could explain the choices. And -they used to give you a trade-in price. Now, what does a salesman really do? Which one do you want? How much do you want to pay? And - even then he/she has to go to some sales mgr to get approval. Sorry - you may be a very honest, decent, fair salesperson. You're going to have to prove it to most people.
Can you understand this from our perspective? Why do think so many of us feel like lambs getting led into slaughter? Why is the turnover rate so high at dealers?
When I'm ready for an '05, I'll reach out to you and give you a chance to show me how honest you are. (I don't care how far away you are.) If you give me a good deal, I'll fly out and drive it home. How's that?
Happy Holidays!:CHEERS:
j2003mach1
12-19-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Blowngt92
I am actually pretty offended by alot of you guys flaming on the car business. I am a car salesman and love doing it. I sell cars because I am a huge car fanatic and nothing else. Selling cars is not about taking avantage of customers, it is not about about making ever dollar you possibly can. The business is about assisting customers in the purchase of their vehicles, giving them a FAIR deal while making a FAIR profit. If everyone was to give cars away for what they had in them there would be no car business, and put yourself in a dealers position. If you owned a Dealership you would want to make a fair profit, but as consumers most of you will argue over a few hundered dollars. Just because you paid MSRP or close to it does not give you the right to complain about dealers being vultures and being profit hungary. What hurt alot of you guys in the INCENTIVES that ford put on the vehicles!! a 3000 or 4000 rebate hurt you alot more than the 1800 dollars markup from invoice to sticker. I don't care about how many books you have read or how much research you do the fact reamains that 90% of the books and information out there is FALSE. I have looked up invoices for our vehicles on the net and I have yet to find one that has been accurate. Most of the time they are about 500-1000 off from what "our cost is". Different regions in the United States have different pricing on their vehicles. I know myself as a Salesman, I refuse to take advantage of a customer for one reason. Success in the Sales Business has to do with a long lasting relationship and repeat business. Since most people nowadays trade within 3 yrs, you screw someone over, you just lost that future business from them because they will owe way to much on their vehicle. Please stop flaming car salesman and the business, especially when you have never been in the business and have to idea about what it is or how it works!:SMASH: :THUMBSUP:
I am also in the car business. I get so sick of the whine bags all the time. but when they want something its "give it to me now" then they get mad that they sighned the paperowrk that they read and say they got ripped off.I have got a good solution for you people DONT BUY CARS, go buy HORSES then you cant complain about car dealers ripping you off so much. as far asthe books to read about the lying car salesman.... GIVE ME A BREAK!!! i also have a bridge to sell you if you honestly believe these books. just face the fact that you dont have 1 million dollars to buy cars with and you dont know the car business. then go to a dealer you trust and buy a car.Justike when you go to the store to buy bread. its easy! anyways i agree stop flaming on car dealers
bryano
12-19-2003, 05:19 PM
might that car dealer be that I can trust, pray tell.
Give me a short list, if you please.
Perhaps if more car "salesmen" acted professionally - product knowledge - courtesy (instead of playing games like "what kind of monthly payment do you want") - integrity (INTEGRITY - look it up) - then perhaps we'd have more respect for them. When I ask, "how much for that car?" - give me a STRAIGHT answer. Don't make me spend half a bloody day in battle with you, your "sales manager," and - the worst - the finance/insurance/extended warranty/paint-fabric protectant "person."
I look forward to the day when I can buy a car online like I can just about anything else.
Face it, man. You're in the wrong bidness for this thread.
:SMASH:
j2003mach1
12-19-2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by bryano
might that car dealer be that I can trust, pray tell.
Give me a short list, if you please.
Perhaps if more car "salesmen" acted professionally - product knowledge - courtesy (instead of playing games like "what kind of monthly payment do you want") - integrity (INTEGRITY - look it up) - then perhaps we'd have more respect for them. When I ask, "how much for that car?" - give me a STRAIGHT answer. Don't make me spend half a bloody day in battle with you, your "sales manager," and - the worst - the finance/insurance/extended warranty/paint-fabric protectant "person."
I look forward to the day when I can buy a car online like I can just about anything else.
Face it, man. You're in the wrong bidness for this thread.
:SMASH:
:LAUGH: You are funny
I sell around 20 cars a month online and so does any new car dealer.And as far im in the wrong thread. well lets see here. we are talking cars right? ok and several of us are car dealers right?
including the person who started this post. dude quit slamming professions its not cool. May i ask what you do for a living and what did you do to help the car industry beside ***** about every car dealer. I get very defensive about my profession because of people like you that slam or degrade a persons work. I dont think the moderator would care for the comments you have made about a person or stereotype. Is everybody the same ...NO you just are dealing with the wrong crowd and you must like it because you keep coming back for more it looks like to me. buy online thats great but dont whine when the car comes to you and a month later the value drops. end of thread for me i will not reply to this thread anymore. Think before you tell someone there in the wrong thread.
merry christmas :MADNOEL:
Martin99ACR
12-20-2003, 06:46 AM
whoa:eek: man-o-man. I'm all about arguing, but the fact of the matter is, WE ALL HAVE OUR MACH 1'S SO STOP WITH THE BASHING ON BOTH ENDS, I don't even have a job, (Not on welfare or anything, just a full-time student at Univerity of Tennessee- Knoxville),
IMachU
12-23-2003, 07:18 AM
Hmmmmmm.......
Most of you know that I work in the public safety sector. I don't trust anyone, much less one of them stinkin', lyin', low-down car buyers! You ALL know the ones...every one of them!!! They can get the SAME car with the SAME features at dealer X for $5K less (LIE!)....Yup, my trade runs GREAT, original miles, never been in a crash (lie, lie, and pure fabrication!). Oh, and my credit is superb (so good, in fact, that NO BANK will finance the car and the dealer has to ask for the car back - lie). I have NO down payment (but in finance you cough up a $4000 to be put down - another slight inaccuracy). So, with these very few examples, you can tell the car buyers are all sharks. They don't care about anyone wanting to make a living and support the kids...just give me a $45,000 Excursion Limited for $15,000, no down, and $150 a month payments. I read on the internet that it can be done, and if you can't, you are a liar and a thief and a shark!
OK, now that my soap box priviledges have been permanently revoked, I am also a part-time new car salesman. I have been doing this for 3 months, and I sell cars like I would buy them. Here is the invoice, here is what I'll sell it for, your credit score and history qualifies you for this rate, sign here, enjoy your car, and register at the Mach1Registry.com. I am starting to HATE car buyers, and like (some) salesmen more. The sales guys lie less. How do I know? You can get an invoice on the internet. You can get the trade in value of the car at kbb.com (or close to it, depending on the market). All our stuff is out there for all to see.
Alright. I'm done. And if you flame me, I'm a full-time police officer. I know where you live! (Right here, with the rest of us Mach Nuts!) Take what I said as a light-hearted parody, and enjoy a safe holiday season!
Dave
rcode99
12-27-2003, 11:30 PM
Give these two guys a break. Not all car salesmen are crooks, but there are some who's ethics are questionable. That is why some of you are venting at the guys here but you shouldn't be
Even I had a couple bad experiences with recent purchases.
I went to a local dealership where I knew the general sales manager personally. He told the fleet manager to give me the best price they could. I told him I had to sleep on it (I thought it was a little high). The next day I went to another dealership in another town a few miles away. The saleman offered me the identical truck with about $400 in extra options for $750 less.
Then when I bought my Mach in September I dealt with three salesmen at the same place. The first tried to screw me out of a $750 military rebate. When the car he tried to sell me got sold the night before I was to test drive it, a second guy tried to sell me a 'used' one with 14 miles on it. No rebate, no special financing, but top dollar cost. I negotiated him on a new one and got the $750 military rebate factored in and negotiated a price. Then this guy calls the first salesman at home and I get into an argument on the phone. Now the general sale manager comes to see me, and apologizes 'for the misunderstanding.'
He shows me an invoice of a new Mach and says "This is what I pay for this car and this is what I'll sell it to you for." I said great until I realized he was basing his quote on a recently produced Mach, and the one he was going to sell me was made in January, before a $345 price increase went into effect.
He forgot to mention that, so I end up arguing with him. I was ready to walk out the door, but the second salesman, who was only on the job for 6 months, pleaded with me and I got the $345 knocked off the price. I relented and bought the car from him, but now I have a very sour taste in my mouth when I have to go there for anything.
Not every car salesman is a crook. ANd not every car buyer is an a**hole. But in any profession, it just takes a couple bad apples or a bad experience, and its hard to gain trust, even when you had nothing to do with something.
Don't be personally offended, car sales guys. Some of us are speaking out of frustration and you happen to be here. And you are right. I have heard some folks dealing with salesmen in such a manner that I couldn't believe the salesmen kept their cool.
Its been said before and it wil be said again. Lets use this site for our benefit, and for our enjoyment, and save the ill will for the folks who earned it, not someone who happens to be in the same profession.
And Happy New Year to everyone. :CHEERS:
bryano
12-27-2003, 11:53 PM
Thanks, Man.
You've made my point.
If all of this sounds like profiling - it's because it is.
Why do police officers profile? You know.
Why do car buyers profile salesman? You just illustrated that.
Yes - I'm sure there are some honest folks selling cars and trucks - the problem is we don't HEAR enough about them. We mostly hear about how they got reemed when they tried to buy a car. That, my friend, is why we profile.
Happy New Year!:CHEERS:
rcode99
12-28-2003, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by bryano
Thanks, Man.
You've made my point.
If all of this sounds like profiling - it's because it is.
Why do police officers profile? You know.
Why do car buyers profile salesman? You just illustrated that.
Yes - I'm sure there are some honest folks selling cars and trucks - the problem is we don't HEAR enough about them. We mostly hear about how they got reemed when they tried to buy a car. That, my friend, is why we profile.
Happy New Year!:CHEERS:
Bryano,
I wasn't trying to make a point against the guys here. I was just making a statement based on my experience, from the other side, so to speak. I didn't get treated right by one person, but another made up for it...on two different occasions. We are lucky. We can pick our dealerships where we shop, and even the sales person we want to deal with. I don't believe car salesmen are as fortunate. We want to pay as little as possible, and they need to make more than $100 per car in order for a major operation like a car dealership to stay in business. Not every penny is made in the garage.
Think how boring car buying would be if every dealer sold every car for list price, or if they all sold cars for exactly $100 over invoice.:SMASH:
badjoey
12-28-2003, 06:17 AM
how in the world did i miss this thread??
i need to take more vacations so you guys can entertain me more-AND NO I DON'T SELL CARS-
the only thing i ask of my car salesperson is to know your product
a couple of years back i was looking for a new suv and the only thing the first salesperson could tell me about was the crumple zones-HE DID NOT SELL ME ANYTHING-NOT EVEN THE FREE CUP OF COFFEE-
on the other hand when i went to order my 03 mach1 the sales manager first told me that the orders where all put on hold over the horsepower issue--he was confused with the 03 cobra-but he researched and yes i took his free cup of coffe and drove away with my mach1 7 months later
Ford4me
02-04-2004, 07:17 PM
2004 C5 Corvettes going for $10,000.00 below MSRP with 0% financing. How do you think the 03 vette boys are feeling. I will say this I have been in Dallas, Texas for a month and have seen one other Mach 1 but I have seen more C5 vettes than regular Mustangs. Your Mach 1 will eventually be worth what you think it is because it is truly limited. There won't be an 05 Mach. I know body styles are changing but mach's will be limited to 2 years production. Take care of it enjoy and be glad you don't hace a me too corvette like every other nerd in town. Most vettes sound like a singer sewing machine anyway, buy a BMW and be done with it.
By the way my saleman didn't know a Mach 1 from a V6. clueless did what he was told to do poor guy.
bryano
02-04-2004, 07:28 PM
I'm not an academic snob, but...
If car sales "people" want respect - earn it. An expensive shirt, shoes, and jacket doesn't impress me in the least. Know your product. Know the market. Don't give me the feeling that you're doing me a favor. I expect you to make a dollar.
If you want to experience a "sales professional," go talk to a Peterbuilt sales "person." Buddy, in that bidness, you better know you "stuff." They do.
:THUMBSUP:
CMcCarthy
02-13-2004, 12:14 PM
Splendo,
I'm curious... How long did it take to sell the Mach, or did it ever sell?
Also, What did it go for?
Thanks...
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