Mitsbuchee...Mitcsubeci...Mitsubitci EVO6

[codymach]

However the heck you spell Mitsubishi...anyway I just saw a brand new EVO6 at a car show here in town. The owner was a really nice guy and it is a beautiful car....Some bystander started ribbing me about the EVO6 getting 271 Horse power out of 4 cyl's.. and my Mach only getting 305 out of 8 cyls. I finally relented and reminded the guy that the EVO6 is stock with a Turbo....give me a Turbo on the Mach and see what happens. The EVO6 owner also reminded the guy that the Mach had faster 1/4 mile times....and 0 to 60....anyway I actually liked the EVO6 as ricers go....

[falcongtho3]

Evo 6? We get the Evo 7 and Japan and the UK get the Evo 8, which we should see in about a year and a half or so. The best way to spell it is probably: MitsuB*TCHee...:ANGEL:

[Phil]

Just a little history from Pearl harbor. The Jap zeros were made by Mitsubishi.

[fastgta]

That's okay, I can't say chev-ro-ray. :ANGEL: I had one mess with me the other night, this driver was very cocky though. They appear to handle well and are not slow, but the strait line torque definately goes to the Mach. :THUMBSUP:

[Totoland Mach]

:OFFTOPIC: Been trying to e-mail you a couple of times...something wrong with my mail or your's?

Richard Seward
e-mail: sewardr@sbcglobal.net

[codymach]

Richard sent you one...let me know if it gets there thanks!

[Swede]

Fastest EVO6 we got in sweden is called SUPEREVO :D

Facts:
0-100 kmh 2.9sec ( ca 62mph)
0-200 kmh 9.1sec ( ca 125mph)
topspeed 325kmh (ca 203 mph)
1/4 mile 10.89
I think he put in some 100.000 USD in mods

we have had them on the streets for years, alot of evos everywhere.


Tom

[falcongtho3]

Swede, do you get the Evo VIII-FQ and VFQ there? Supposed to be even badder than the 'regular' Evo.

[codymach]

Ummmmm$ for $100,000 dollars I bet we could get the mach into the 7's!

[jbrad88]

For a hundred grand we could definately go 7's. If we want to be a little badder, the easiest is to spend @ 15k and drop in the 425 horse crate motor...Or we could spend @ 15k for a built short block and a blower of some kind.

Or we could leave this one alone, and buy a 4cyl coupe, drop a built 460 and c-6 in it with a 9 inch rear, and go run 9's all day long...

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Can anyone come up with one for the Mitsu? And Phil, nice comment about the old Zero's...Many people don't know that little historical fact. Although, the Zero was no match for the P-51...

[falcongtho3]

Would you want to fly in a 'fighter' made out of plywood? And do you think the build quality of a WW II plane was better than that of their current automobile? No wonder there are only two flyable examples left in the world today. (Most of the ones you see on film or at airshows are repainted US AT-6 Texans)

[Phil]

Originally posted by falcongtho3
Would you want to fly in a 'fighter' made out of plywood? And do you think the build quality of a WW II plane was better than that of their current automobile? No wonder there are only two flyable examples left in the world today. (Most of the ones you see on film or at airshows are repainted US AT-6 Texans)

You missed my point!

[Chaucer]

Originally posted by John and Renae

Can anyone come up with one for the Mitsu? And Phil, nice comment about the old Zero's...Many people don't know that little historical fact. Although, the Zero was no match for the P-51... [/B]

Actually, the P-51 was in the atlantic theater since it was an Army Airplane so it never got a chance to go up against a zero. The Marine Corsair, the Air Corp P-38 lightnings, and Navy Hellcats where Pacific theater but the zero was no match for them either.

:THUMBSUP:

[jbrad88]

Actually, to the best of my knowledge, some 51' s made it into the asian theatre, but they were fairly small numbers and they were late in the game. The air war was pretty much decided as the 38's, f4u's, and f6f's had pretty much taken care of that...

I was just making the comparison of mitsu product vs. mustang...and since the mustang was the premier fighter in the us aresnal at the time, it clearly would have dominated the zero...

JMHO

:OFFTOPIC:

[Phil]

That is right on Chaucer! P-51 pilots would of loved to splash some zero's.

And the coment about WWII fighters made out of plywood????The Mitsibushi A6M zero's were made out of aluminum, just like ours.

[codymach]

Hey Phil I didn't miss your point thanks...Thats why I would never own a Car from Japan...Germany.....and heavens forbid FRANCE!!!

[Phil]

That's cool Codymach! You probably never thought your thread would take off like this. But, I'm glad you started it.

I quess you could look at it like there are many Zero's out on the road that need to be splashed by the Mach 1.

[falcongtho3]

I stand corrected on the construction of the Zero. It was made of Duralum, not plywood. The only operational plywood fighter was the British Mosquito (the wooden wonder). The Zero did away with structural armor(for the pilot) and self-sealing fuel tanks (same) for weight savings. P-51's did serve in every theater of operation during WW II (at least according to the Smithsonian Institute's Air and Space Museum), as well as the bent wing bird (Corsair), and all the others mentioned.
I didn't miss the point of the thread, just my useless .02...
( I really did consider using the 'kill silhouettes' that the BMW Mini ads have put out, like in the war!!!)

Whew...that was post 2K for me, maybe I should go find a life now...:D :THUMBSUP:

[tim2003mach1]

O.K., as a WWII Avaition buff, I feel some corrections are needed.

First, the Zero was Japan's best fighter. The pilot's that flew them in the begining of our involvement with the war were very experienced thanks to fighting in China. Once the Americans got experience, it didn't matter what they were flying. A P-40 could splash as many Zeros as an F4U Coursair. And actually, the F6F downed more enemy aircraft than any American aircraft.

As far as the Coursair flying in every theather, they never served over North Africa, Italy, mainland Europe, or the Russian Front. To my best knowledge, the onlt aircraft that served in every theater was the P-40. The Brits used them as tank-busters in Africa, the Russians as dive bombers, the Flying Tigers to whack the Japanese in air-to-air, the Americans in the South PAcific as bomber escort, as well as any other mission that came up.

The P-51 was, indeed in the Pacific. Since the Allied powers had agreed that Germany be taken care of first, the bulk of the production went to Europe.. There were early versions (A-36, P-51A, P-51B) assigned to the 14th Air Force (former Flying Tigers) and these did a number on all the Japanese aircraft they encountered. Keep in mind, by this time, most of the experienced Japanese pilots had been shot down.

End result, age, wisdom, and experience will always beat out inexperience, no matter what the mount is, car or fighter.

Just my thoughts.

[jbrad88]

To the best of my recollection, the '38 did fly in every theater as well. The problem the Japanese ran into with the zero was inexpereince as we had taken most of their experienced pilots out by the time the 51 was in service, but also that their ability to futher develop the aircraft was hampered and cut short.

I personally would not have wanted a p-39 aircobra, or the brewster buffalo to fly against the zero's. If you remember, prior the the '38 arriving in the pacific, the p-39 had been grounded from any air-air combat missions. Got shot down pretty much everytime. The 38 changed the tide in the pacific, and brought the ability to dictate the fight to the zero's. The f4f wildcat did an admirable job, until the f6f made it into service. Then it was really just a matter of time. The army air corp had the 38, the marines and navy had the f4u and the f6f...The 51 was just icing on the cake...

I cannot remember if the thud was in the pacific though...

[tim2003mach1]

Yeah, the thud (P-47) was in the pacific. Flew off of escort carriers dropping napalm on, I beleive, Kwajalien. I know they flew at Iwo Jima, Okinowa, and probabl the Phillipines. They were used mostly for close air support for the Marines.

[starscream]

Originally posted by codymach
Hey Phil I didn't miss your point thanks...Thats why I would never own a Car from Japan...Germany.....and heavens forbid FRANCE!!!

Here's a trivia question: Which AMERICAN car companies plants in Germany were converted to make German weapons in 1939?

[Joe]

Hey guys, while a couple of us Machers were at the dragstrip last wednesday night, I saw at least 2 of those evo's there. Have to admit, at least they don't look like goobaru or wrx's.....anyways i saw one run 13.8's and we were only running 14.4's best.

Here in Colorado those little bastards might give us hell with their boost.

Joe

:SMASH:

[Chaucer]

The Corsair did fly in the Atlantic theater but it was flying under the British flag. The British were actually the first to get the Corsair to be flyable on an aircraft carrier. In fact they were flying Corsairs off of carriers, routinely, a full 8 months before the Americans starting flying Corsairs off of carriers.

:THUMBSUP:

[falcongtho3]

Although the Corsair was originally carrier based for the US Navy, its' extended nose cause havoc for those pilots trying to bring them in for a safe landing. If you ever see one on TV, watch them manuver on the ground. The pilots swing the planes side to side for vision in front of them. This is common for many tail draggers, but the Corsairs long and wide nose (housing its' huge radial engine) made it that much more difficult to manuver on the ground. Eventually the US Corsairs became all ground based and were mostly in service to the USMC. The Corsair lasted into the Korean Conflict, much longer than most of its' contemporaries.

[Chaucer]

also a lot of the times you see the ground crew riding on the wings while it's taxi'ing so that they can guide the pilot.

:THUMBSUP:

[falcongtho3]

true as well, I just hope they get off before he guns it!:LAUGH:

[86SALEEN]

Also, I believe it was Mitsubishi(sp?) that kept Americans as slaves and forced them into slave labor camps during the war wasn't it?? One reason I'll never buy one of those ricers.....:mad:

[Fill]

Originally posted by starscream
Here's a trivia question: Which AMERICAN car companies plants in Germany were converted to make German weapons in 1939?

GM & Ford

[falcongtho3]

Yep, and we converted our car plants to make bombers and tanks...and the rest is history!

[rob6773]

P-51 mustang fans I hope your not forgetting that plane was a flop with the our radial engine, the plane became the great fuel mileage killer bomber escort only after recieving the British supercharged rolls royce v-12. That engine was incredible. It was similiar to the supercharged v-12 that powered the bluebird on daytona beach to a world speed reocord in the twenties. The p-51 reminds me of the AC Cobra. British + American = FUBARing of all challengers. The design of the zero made it the greatest fighter in the world when it first was produced in the late twenties. Compare what the rest of the world had then, the Japanese were ten years ahead of the world. By the end of WWII the zero was outdated because it was a 15 yr. old design against our brand new designs. Mitsubishi has to be given credit for the evo, the STI that Subaru makes has another half liter and is not as fast as the EVO. Mitsubishi got the gearing right. People with the subarus are changing not only axle gears but transmission gears also. Alot of us with Machs have already changed gears too. Our Machs will be faster because they come from the factory not reaching their full potential. The evo is already too close to it's full potential to get that much faster.

[Fill]

Originally posted by falcongtho3
Yep, and we converted our car plants to make bombers and tanks...and the rest is history!

The greed of money. However, when we declared war on Germany in 1941 all ties were suppose to be cut off with German Ford and GM. Hitler was very impressed with Henry Ford and how the Americans mass produced auto's. All the begining formation of Ford & GM in Germany was done before Hitler was Chancholer of Germany. Hitler was not about to let these plants continue building just cars & trucks when he become in power. But, I'm sure a lot of shady deals were going on without the American public knowing. I really don't think there were American citizens working in the German Ford & GM plants and it sure was not supported by our Gov't once we declared war on Hitler.

The Japanese Mitsubishi plant was 100% Gov't supported while Japanese citizens worked in the plant.

Phil

[starscream]

Fill, you definately know your stuff.

The reason I brought it up was because while someone might wish to never own a car from Germany, Japan, or France, the American companies also had connections to Nazi Germany. And Chrysler is Daimler now, so that's out, and if you take a look at what's left based on who owns who (http://familycars.about.com/cs/automakers/a/whoownswho.htm), the only company left that's not German, Japanese, French, or had ties to Nazi Germany is Hyundai/Kia. What a great choice to be left with. Plus I must have missed the time we went to war with France, but if I'm never buying a French car, it's because the last one I saw (LeCar) was a piece of crap. Maybe they didn't support us in Iraq, but I think what counts is they did in 1778 when we were trying to break from England.

But, that's just my 2 cents.

[falcongtho3]

Since you brought it up, should we snub the Jags, Aston Martins, and so forth from the British due to that little incident back in the 1700's called the Revolutionary War? And should I return my Mach 1 to to the Yankees since it wasn't forged here in the Deep South because if that little Civil Conflict? No one is saying what was done was right. No one is also saying that we should suuport thise who pose a threat to us now should be rewarded or supported. I am saying that history is like the changing course of a river. Those who were against us are often now standing with us. Those who may have been on our side now oppose us. Never has this been more true than in the climate of today. Japan is a true world power but does not have a military force in the sense we know. They have what is called a self-defense force. This concept, of course, has been abused in the past as the Germans were forbidden to create the argessive military machine it did following its' defeat in the First World War. Greed and power will always corrupt and we can only hope that the guidance of our forefathers and the wisdom of those whom we put into office can help to buffer those who would wield those swords. It is not a disease of only foreign nations, as we well know, but are not afraid to disclose to the world. It is the Sadaams and the Idi Amins and the Hitlers and those who remain hidden to the world that we should be wary of, not those who are often the victims; the citizens.

[Fill]

With all said, I still will not buy or drive a Mitsubishi! The Mach 1 is a good running machine and has a lot of heritage. Since I'm an American (born and raised), Pearl Harbor will always be a part of my (our) history!



Phil

[jbrad88]

My father was a POW in the Phillipines when he was a child. My grandparents had settled there prior to the war. (Grandfather from Indiana, grandmother from australia). When the Japanese went thru manilla they interned american and phillipino civilians in different camps. He was there until MacAthur and the 1st Cav liberated them. He lost his dad there and eventually my grandmother settled in San Diego.

I will not own the cars as a quiet protest for the treatment of my father and grandmother. It was a brutal time, the Japanese military was extremely brutal to civilians, and although it is almost impossible to own anything electronic today that is not made there, MY CHOICE, is to not own the cars they build.

That does not mean I hate the Japanese. Quite the contrary. I have a great deal of respect for their culture. I am in just my own little way honoring the death of my grandfather, and the internment of my father and grandmother by making a choice. I certainly hope that if we ever have another global conflict as large as WWII that we have all our allies together, including the Japanese...

[falcongtho3]

Amen!