getting an 04 mach to run 12.5's

[2002 232 stang]

i am going to swap in a mach 1 motor into my 02 v6, once we finish swapping a 2001 cobra motor into a friends 98 v6. what mods would be needed to have a mach 1 reliably run 12.5's at the track, keep in mind i already have an 8.8 with 4.10's and hotchkis adjustable UCA's and hotchkis LCA's. im think when doing the swap putting on full exhaust and an intake but what would be needed to mach a 5 speed model run 12.5's?

[lxh89]

i am going to swap in a mach 1 motor into my 02 v6, once we finish swapping a 2001 cobra motor into a friends 98 v6. what mods would be needed to have a mach 1 reliably run 12.5's at the track, keep in mind i already have an 8.8 with 4.10's and hotchkis adjustable UCA's and hotchkis LCA's. im think when doing the swap putting on full exhaust and an intake but what would be needed to mach a 5 speed model run 12.5's?

My mach 1 with et streets and a K&N went 12.70@107--no other mods. With an offroad midpipe, 12.50s are possible with traction.

Obviously weather conditions, density altitude and driving skill will have the largest role.

Tony

[lavasnake]

check out our thread http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2860 ...

BT03mach-1 ----(TX) Black- '03/ M---1.782, 12.460 @ 110.15 BEJLD

Mods =
K&N type drop in filter,
drag radials,
X or H pipe w/out Cats (aka: off road),
Mufflers w/stock pipes
Weight Reduction (Tire,Jack,Seat,Sway Bar,etc) (not sure how much, doesnt list)

and SKILL :hail1:

[2k4mk1]

I ran 13.3 on street tires at 3565lbs this last sat nite at San Antonio race way
with stock gears and 1/2 tank of gas

[Fosters]

My mach 1 with et streets and a K&N went 12.70@107--no other mods. With an offroad midpipe, 12.50s are possible with traction.

Obviously weather conditions, density altitude and driving skill will have the largest role.

Tony

agreed... it took a bit more for me, as i was at 3000 da when i ran my first 12.5, but mods at the time were:

4.30s
26x10.5 et streets
31 spline rear (if you want it ran reliably)
broken 3650 tranny
hooker longtubes, x pipe
borla catback
jlt cai
chip/tune
and some weight reduction (swaybar, spare, jack mainly)

[2002 232 stang]

so lets say i have stock rubber, 4.10's upper and lower control arms, CAI, full exhaust headers back with no cats, and some mufflers, a tune, and a short shifter. what would i run there.
i dont want DR's until i get 31 splines.
i would have the motor with those mods for 9 months at which point i will buy a super charger, which would you suggest? what supporting mods would be needed?

[manny]

so lets say i have stock rubber, 4.10's upper and lower control arms, CAI, full exhaust headers back with no cats, and some mufflers, a tune, and a short shifter. what would i run there.
i dont want DR's until i get 31 splines.
i would have the motor with those mods for 9 months at which point i will buy a super charger, which would you suggest? what supporting mods would be needed? You will probably still run a low 13 with stock rubber and all of those mods. Sticky tires are a must if you want to run mid 12's.

[ponygt65]

I know this is going to sound dumb, but I hope you are changing all of the items to support those 4v's in the sixers....ie: radiator, ECU, tranny, so on and so forth.


ANd i agree with manny...maybe high 12s pending on driver and track. But DRs are pretty much the bare minimum to see mid 12s. Some stock cobra's have trouble seeing mid 12s with street tires.

[2002 232 stang]

of course ecu and stuff like taht will be swapped, fuel lines, hydraboost, radiator andother things.

[LTZ MACH]

I know this is going to sound dumb, but I hope you are changing all of the items to support those 4v's in the sixers....ie: radiator, ECU, tranny, so on and so forth.


ANd i agree with manny...maybe high 12s pending on driver and track. But DRs are pretty much the bare minimum to see mid 12s. Some stock cobra's have trouble seeing mid 12s with street tires.

I agree!

You also mentioned that you are going to add a S/C a few months later. Why don't you do some motor work before you drop it in the car to prepare for the blower?

LT

[03whitemach]

so lets say i have stock rubber, 4.10's upper and lower control arms, CAI, full exhaust headers back with no cats, and some mufflers, a tune, and a short shifter. what would i run there.
i dont want DR's until i get 31 splines.
i would have the motor with those mods for 9 months at which point i will buy a super charger, which would you suggest? what supporting mods would be needed?
You'll need a forged bottom end. The automatic motor has a cast crank, and a manual has a forged crank. Either way, the connecting rods and pistons are not forged. With an S/C, you'll need a built bottom end.

[2002 232 stang]

how soon would dr's break an 8.8 t-lok?

[2002 232 stang]

You'll need a forged bottom end. The automatic motor has a cast crank, and a manual has a forged crank. Either way, the connecting rods and pistons are not forged. With an S/C, you'll need a built bottom end.
i know the crank is forged. so which rods and pistons would you recomend to run a kb at 15 psi, what fuel upgrades are needed. a focus 310 lph fuel pump will be there for sure or is that not enough? im guessing like 9.4 comprssion with 15 psi should let me still run 91 octane and of course it will be tuned.

[2002 232 stang]

up.

[ponygt65]

how soon would dr's break an 8.8 t-lok?


If everyone knew that for sure, we would all be perfectly fine. :3:

It all depends. Some guys have had no problems running DRs on stock axles and rear. To me, I think it depends on how hard/often you launch it. once in a while type of dragging should be fine. But if this is a straight dragger, then go for it. Plus, it isn't so much the gears as it is the 28 spline axles. 8.8s are actually really good rears. They are considered by many to be up with the 9" and dana 60......but that is debateable.

[2002 232 stang]

yeah im thinking of building a mach motor and throwing 15 psi of keene belle, with a tko tranny. and 31 spline axels, 6O LBS INJECTORS AND 310 LPH FUEL PUMP.

[ShakeMe]

You are asking a lot of vague questions. Example: I know a guy who made well over 500 passes with stock axles on DRs, and ET Streets(P machy). He also ran 12.32 @ 109.xx with exhaust mods, weight reduction, and tuning. On the other hand, I bent forged axles and twisted an axle tube. If you can slip the clutch the axles won't take as much of a beating.

The 1/4 mile tracks in Socal are few and far. Irwindale will get you the best 60 ft time(I got a 1.59 on MT DRs) but, it's only an 1/8 mile.

Mod to consider: Intake - I like the C&L, Electric H2O pump, mid pipe - "H" if you like musle car sound/ "X" if you like exotic sound, Catback - again go for the sound you like, 4.30 gears but, if you're getting a charger, 3.90/4.10s. Lower control arms and leave the uppers stock. MMFL subs, take weight out, tune it, MT DRs, launch at 6200, and drive it like it belongs to your mother in law :)

[Fosters]

how soon would dr's break an 8.8 t-lok?


not very soon. they have a chance at breaking the mach1 stock axles though, it seems they are weaker than the gt axles. if you go with a 31 spline 8.8 setup, you're set... i've had mine for over 100+ passes, with probably 75 of those 60' in the 1.7s... still runs like a champ, ford racing 31 spline diff/moser axles...

[Fosters]

yeah im thinking of building a mach motor and throwing 15 psi of keene belle, with a tko tranny. and 31 spline axels, 6O LBS INJECTORS AND 310 LPH FUEL PUMP.

what's your budget for all of this? you're prolly better off by buying a mach1 or 03/04 cobra honestly...

[ponygt65]

what's your budget for all of this? you're prolly better off by buying a mach1 or 03/04 cobra honestly...


Yeah, but the sixer body with a KB mach motor would be one HELL of a sleeper car.

[04azuremach]

Yeah, but the sixer body with a KB mach motor would be one HELL of a sleeper car.
If he really wanted a sleeper car, he'd keep the stock cat back and run electric cut outs :smokin:

[BT03mach-1]

check out our thread http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2860 ...

BT03mach-1 ----(TX) Black- '03/ M---1.782, 12.460 @ 110.15 BEJLD

Mods =
K&N type drop in filter,
drag radials,
X or H pipe w/out Cats (aka: off road),
Mufflers w/stock pipes
Weight Reduction (Tire,Jack,Seat,Sway Bar,etc) (not sure how much, doesnt list)

and SKILL :hail1:

thats me! :smokin:

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/15751/new_3.jpg

[LTZ MACH]

You are asking a lot of vague questions. Example: I know a guy who made well over 500 passes with stock axles on DRs, and ET Streets(P machy). He also ran 12.32 @ 109.xx with exhaust mods, weight reduction, and tuning. On the other hand, I bent forged axles and twisted an axle tube. If you can slip the clutch the axles won't take as much of a beating.

The 1/4 mile tracks in Socal are few and far. Irwindale will get you the best 60 ft time(I got a 1.59 on MT DRs) but, it's only an 1/8 mile.

Mod to consider: Intake - I like the C&L, Electric H2O pump, mid pipe - "H" if you like musle car sound/ "X" if you like exotic sound, Catback - again go for the sound you like, 4.30 gears but, if you're getting a charger, 3.90/4.10s. Lower control arms and leave the uppers stock. MMFL subs, take weight out, tune it, MT DRs, launch at 6200, and drive it like it belongs to your mother in law :)

Great points...I just WISH I could find a track to launch at 6200 and not spin... My best is somewhere around 4500 spinning a little and cutting a 1.78.

LT

[2002 232 stang]

great info guys
i really dont want to buy a new car just because i have modded my car quite a bit with apperance, it wont be a sleeper at all. my budget here is 10k for everything not icluding the differentail. i can get all the parts needed for the mach 1 swap with stock components for like 6 k. plus i will install it my self with the help of ver very knowledgeable gear heads from my car club. so right there i have 4k to play with.
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[2002 232 stang]

does anyone know if the fuel lines that run under the car for the v6 and mach are the same? because i was going to put on sub frames but i want to know if i have to change the lines i wont do the subframes till i egt the new fuel lines in since i would have to cut the subframe connectors to get to the fuel lines.

[shake this]

I can understand now why your wanting to do the swap... you have a clean looking stang.

[2002 232 stang]

I can understand now why your wanting to do the swap... you have a clean looking stang.
Thank you.