Mopar!

[na svt]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/02/autos/dodge-challenger-hellcat/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[TKat13]

They just 1-upped the everyone!

Always been a Mopar fan, having a 'Cuda for years. I would love to drop a hellcat in the old 'Cuda.

Gives Ford something more to aim for, to bad the Challenger is so large. But, this model does look even better.

[DSG2003Mach1]

hearing rumors of 130mph traps, stock! That 8spd trans may be a really killer

[Mach828]

I can't wait to see the times it puts down at the track. 130 trap speeds would be very impressive.

[Ichevyracer]

Guess I'm the only not really impressed. I would like to know how much boost it needs for the 707hp. All the control available and the air intake are cool though. Can't wait for comparison tests.

[Mach828]

I'm curious what blower they are using.

[4valve 4tw?]

More power, more weight, meh.

The supercharger is a 2.3L unit made by IHI. Same company that made them for Mercedes CL/S/SL/E55, C/SLK230, C/SLK32, and the SLR McLaren Kompressors. They were detachable via a magnetic clutch, to cut parasitic drag and help fuel economy. If I read right, the Challenger will do the same.

As for speed, by the numbers it has a slightly worse power-to-weight then the GT500. Combine that with probably MAX 295 tires, and stick to stick the GT500 will be faster. The auto's will have an edge I bet though.

For reviews on how this car inevitably will handle(poorly) with it's small tires, just look up reviews on the Ferrari F12(and it has 315 rears and only 500lb-ft).

[DSG2003Mach1]

some others were saying that blower was very expensive to pulley swap

like it or not, its damned impressive that you can buy a 700+hp car thats 50 state legal for emissions and noise standards.

Would I buy one even if I won the lotto? nope, but its still pretty cool for a brutal throw back muscle car

[not a gt]

Dang they upped the HP that quick!! I was JUST reading my Automobile and they have an article with Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis and he says its over 600 hp but won't know till final calibration is done, but wouldn't say if it would approach the 640 hp Viper. This is the August 2014 edition, freakin magazines are now behind as I am reading them lol :rolleyses

[ShkeRttlNroll]

I think its a good looking car, always have liked the looks of the challenger. However Dodge, always a day late and a dollar short lol. They bring 700hp to the table when theres no 2015 shelby and produce a shaker model when everyone else is getting away from retro. I cant wait for the 4cyl turbo challenger to hit the market...4 years from now.

[Mach828]

I think its a good looking car, always have liked the looks of the challenger. However Dodge, always a day late and a dollar short lol. They bring 700hp to the table when theres no 2015 shelby and produce a shaker model when everyone else is getting away from retro. I cant wait for the 4cyl turbo challenger to hit the market...4 years from now.

SRT4 Challenger! That would be pretty cool. But it would need to drop down to 3,600lbs at the most.

[Bill Hamilton]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/02/autos/dodge-challenger-hellcat/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Did you also read the third paragraph? :eyebrows:

..."A Ford spokesman wouldn't comment on its competitors car, but a new Shelby GT500 with, potentially, more power is expected to be revealed some time soon. " :hail1:

Chevy was jumping up and down for about two weeks with their 580 hp ZL-1 Camaro when Ford announced it's 662 hp GT-500 for 2013. History may repeat itself. Sure makes for better competition among the big 3. :thumbsup:

[ASH302]

I like it and amazing for sure, curious to see the times it can run.
i'm really enjoy my 2013 Charger R/T but nothing will replace the sound and fun of what a mustang can give me.
Still the Charger has been nice with being a family car

ASh

[ASH302]

Did you also read the third paragraph? :eyebrows:

..."A Ford spokesman wouldn't comment on its competitors car, but a new Shelby GT500 with, potentially, more power is expected to be revealed some time soon. " :hail1:

Chevy was jumping up and down for about two weeks with their 580 hp ZL-1 Camaro when Ford announced it's 662 hp GT-500 for 2013. History may repeat itself. Sure makes for better competition among the big 3. :thumbsup:

yea I'm curious to see the power the GT500 makes with the new mopar hp out

ASh

[ShkeRttlNroll]

SRT4 Challenger! That would be pretty cool. But it would need to drop down to 3,600lbs at the most.

Would be interesting for sure, yes especially if they put it on a diet maybe made it a bare bones no frills SRT4!

[PeteEpple]

curb weight - no driver - 4439!!!!!! what a fat pig!

[TKat13]

Yes, it is the fattest pig of the 3 but frankly they are all obese.

[stang8092]

Heh

[ASH302]

Yes, it is the fattest pig of the 3 but frankly they are all obese.

true,
I would drive the pig or any of the 3 to be honest

ASh

[Mach828]

Hey guyz! Just picked up a new Dodge Hellcat and wanted to post a pic

http://www.southafrica.to/transport/Airlines/cheapest-flight-survey/2007/fat-cat.jpg

[4valve 4tw?]

Yes, it is the fattest pig of the 3 but frankly they are all obese.

Stick to stick, the weights are
SRT 4449
ZL1 4120
GT 3850

At almost 350 and 600lbs more then the ZL1 and GT500, no, there is 1 clear pig.

Also, no SRT4 Challenger. They did however confirm the Dart SRT4. Possibly an AWD one.

It's pretty much a given so I'll call it now, the next Challenger will share a platform with a Fiat. Dodge would have to do a total ground up redesign and it's cheaper to share parts anyway.

[TKat13]

curb weight - no driver - 4439!!!!!! what a fat pig!

Curious where your number came from, I cannot find anything about official weight. Although I understand with your history that you 'know' the right people. :)

[TKat13]

I still stand by my opinion, all three camps are failing in their two door muscle cars. Either they drop the weight or they add power, they can never seem to do both at once.

[bris09]

I think its a good looking car, always have liked the looks of the challenger. However Dodge, always a day late and a dollar short lol. They bring 700hp to the table when theres no 2015 shelby and produce a shaker model when everyone else is getting away from retro. I cant wait for the 4cyl turbo challenger to hit the market...4 years from now.

Actually I think the timing is smart. They waited until the competition has significantly less hp. Now if you want that kind of power it is either an ugly Camaro are a cool looking Challenger. I'd go as far as saying Chrysler deliberately waited for the new Mustang before unveiling the Hellcat.

[iamkevin7]

Owned 8 Chrysler products in my life. I had good luck with all of them but I will not even consider buying them now . First they screwed a local dealer that was selling a lot of cars because the Charlotte NC dealers were complaining and there is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO way I want anything to do with a fiat

[4valve 4tw?]

The only cars that have anything to do with fiat are the dart and 200. Everything else is MURICA as they come...

Except that they are Mercedes based or use Mercedes parts.

Fiat in the 80's =/= Fiat now, just as Ford in the 80's =/= Ford now.

[4valve 4tw?]

I still stand by my opinion, all three camps are failing in their two door muscle cars. Either they drop the weight or they add power, they can never seem to do both at once.

Federal standards and/or people wanting all the options standard. Just giving the masses what they want unfortunately.

The Camaro will be the exception to the rule. I did some estimates based on the current V6 and SS and the smaller ATS platform it will be based on for 2016, and the SS should loose about 100lbs realistically, placing it right around the Mustang GT weight. Then things will get interesting...

[iamkevin7]

I rented a car in FL last year and it was supposed to be an econobox. They were out of econoboxes and gave me a fiat 500. I can honestly say fiat has not changed much since the 80's., Build quality was horrible and performance reminded me of my moms old Zephyr wagon with the 200 I6 in it LOL. For a car that competes with Mini it is a far cry from even coming close to BMW's build quality and performance.

I drove a Charger and Challenger before I bought the mach1 and both were behemoths and not really exciting.707 hp might just actually make it an exciting bbw cow to drive LOL. To each his own

[Thor]

curb weight - no driver - 4439!!!!!! what a fat pig!

Need to drop the Hellcat in a 1967 Dodge Dart GT -2,930 lbs.

[iudelt89]

The Challenger has always serviced a different type of customer imo. It's not a pony car, its muscle. It is designed for stoplight to stoplight, cruising comfortably down the strip, and highway.

That being said, trying to call anything over 3600 lbs a sports car is a joke in my mind. If you were to actually take any of the three (ZL-1, GT500, Hellcat) to a road course track day, you would end up spending a fortune in brakes and tires to support all of that mass. They need to cut the fat, but still, that hellcat is gonna be awesome.

[muzman]

Did you also read the third paragraph? :eyebrows:

..."A Ford spokesman wouldn't comment on its competitors car, but a new Shelby GT500 with, potentially, more power is expected to be revealed some time soon. " :hail1:

Chevy was jumping up and down for about two weeks with their 580 hp ZL-1 Camaro when Ford announced it's 662 hp GT-500 for 2013. History may repeat itself. Sure makes for better competition among the big 3. :thumbsup:

Bill, I heard yesterday that Shelby is working on something, which is no surprise after all they are in the business of building and selling brand name muscle cars and want to be at the front of the pack.

[Bill Hamilton]

Bill, I heard yesterday that Shelby is working on something, which is no surprise after all they are in the business of building and selling brand name muscle cars and want to be at the front of the pack.

Couple of years ago at Carlisle I spoke with a Ford engineer who talked about they had taken the then new 5.0 and did the twin turbo eco-boost on it and got 800 hp on an engine dyno. He laughed and so, "Of course you'll never see this on the street". Maybe a 750 hp version will be more "sellable". (LOL)

Last I read the 2015 Mustang GT will be about 40 pounds more than a comparable 2014 Mustang GT. With the launch of the new aluminum framed F-150 weighing 750 pounds less, I could see a future Mustang using that technology and cutting some serious weight off the car. Maybe Shelby will be used to introduced that and then spread it to the rest of the Mustang lineup.

[iudelt89]

Couple of years ago at Carlisle I spoke with a Ford engineer who talked about they had taken the then new 5.0 and did the twin turbo eco-boost on it and got 800 hp on an engine dyno. He laughed and so, "Of course you'll never see this on the street". Maybe a 750 hp version will be more "sellable". (LOL)

Last I read the 2015 Mustang GT will be about 40 pounds more than a comparable 2014 Mustang GT. With the launch of the new aluminum framed F-150 weighing 750 pounds less, I could see a future Mustang using that technology and cutting some serious weight off the car. Maybe Shelby will be used to introduced that and then spread it to the rest of the Mustang lineup.

3400lb < mustang with 500 n/a hp flat plane crank! I'll be first in line.

[TKat13]

3400lb < mustang with 500 n/a hp flat plane crank! I'll be first in line.

When is hell freezing over?

[not a gt]

When is hell freezing over?

When you stop finding leaks lol. Sorry Darrell, just had to go there, don't hit me please :OUCH:
..or I stop shreading belts :(

[Mach828]

Track times for the Hellcat were 11.2 @ 125mph. 10.8 @ 126 with drag radials.

The ET is impressive, but I think a lot of credit has to go to the 8 speed auto. However, I feel like the trap speed is not impressive. That is the same trap speed the 13'-14' GT500 is rated at from magazine tests.

My guess is from a dig, these cars will be hard to beat. But, from a roll or if the race goes into higher speeds, the weight of the hellcat will be its downfall to their competitors.

http://blogs.hotrod.com/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-runs-10-80-in-the-quarter-mile-with-video-128113.html#axzz3786eU8Tn

[blown03Mach1]

Sorry, to me trap speeds don't really mean squat. Its all about the ET.

IMHO the trap speed is just an indicator of how bad you screwed up that run (et vs speed). i.e. you run a 13.5 with a trap of 118... You REALLY screwed that run up based off the speed...

Just my .02

[jbrad88]

Didn't the last generation lightning weigh @ 4400 lbs?:SMASH:

That's an impressive drivetrain with the 8 speed auto
But over 4300lbs....that's nuts

[blown03Mach1]

Funny how people bang on the Challenger because of its weight, but regardless of its weight, it will still smoke the 500 at the track. 10.8 on just street radials rest is factory! Oh an not excuses of missing a shift either. Now imagine what it will do with a little tweaking and weight reduction....

Come on guys and recognize we are currently living in perhaps the last great HP wars you will ever see and right now Dodge is on top. Well that is until Ford or Chevy ups the ante.

[devous1]

I agree, any time the big 3 offer cars with 500 + hp cars with warranty off the show room floor I'm impressed. I was thinking the HP bubble would break after the 13/14 GT500s but apparently not.

I'd like to get one new car but I'm waiting for the end of the HP race to see whats out there. I'm always a Ford fan, but I am a fan of the Challenger also.

[4valve 4tw?]

Sorry, to me trap speeds don't really mean squat. Its all about the ET.

IMHO the trap speed is just an indicator of how bad you screwed up that run (et vs speed). i.e. you run a 13.5 with a trap of 118... You REALLY screwed that run up based off the speed...

Just my .02

It's pretty safe to say the opposite. Nail the launch and you'll cut a great ET, and usually less mph.

For a non-drag only car, I'd say the mph is easily just as important. If say, an lsX swapped 240sx, set up for road courses, pulls up to the tree for the first time and runs a 11.5 with a 2.2 60' so what. It's suspension isn't going to allow it a squat-and-go launch. But as they leave, if some dummy in a big block Fox body that also ran an 11.5(with a 1.7 60') rolls up next to him on a highway, that Fox body is gonna get his feelings hurt.

As someone who wants a more well rounded car, I'm fine with a meh 60' and ET, if I can pull up to another car that ran the same ET, and walk him.

Funny how people bang on the Challenger because of its weight, but regardless of its weight, it will still smoke the 500 at the track. 10.8 on just street radials rest is factory! Oh an not excuses of missing a shift either. Now imagine what it will do with a little tweaking and weight reduction....

Come on guys and recognize we are currently living in perhaps the last great HP wars you will ever see and right now Dodge is on top. Well that is until Ford or Chevy ups the ante.

The 11.2(not even addressing the drag radial number) is about .3-.4 faster then GT500. About what I was expecting with the 8 speed auto. If you listen to it run, it bangs through the gears with lightning speed. I'm still saying the stick is gonna be neck and neck if not .1 behind the GT500 any given day/track.

Hybrid powertrains are just hitting the scene, and the switch to turbo motors is in full swing which leaves room for near unlimited potential. Check out the Beny/Audi/BMW turbo motors. Their HP war is well underway and the kicker is, pretty much all of those turbo motors are underrated. We still have many years ahead of us I'd say.

[blown03Mach1]

Sorry bud, sticking with MPH not as important as ET.

And what affect can spinning the tires have on ET and MPH? Higher ET and higher mph.

[Mach828]

Agree that the mph is very important when judging a street car. It helps demonstrate how much useful power the car is making based off its weight and aerodynamics. Sure there can be some manipulation in regards to spinning off the line. But it generally shows what category you can place the car in.

A ran a bolt on, HCI, c6 z06 at the track last weekend. I ran a 12.70@114 and he ran a 12.8x@12x. I can't really say my car was faster than his because its not, even if I crossed the line before him. My ET was faster but my mph was much slower. I cut a 1.6 and he cut a 2.0. If I ran into him on the freeway, I'd get slaughtered. A car that has 10+mph on your trap is going to fly past you pretty quickly.

[iudelt89]

When is hell freezing over?

Well if his year is anything like the last, I'd say right around January.

[mach460]

Down carlisle over the weekend to the mopar nationals and
chrysler had the Hellcat there took it over to the local drag strip
sat. eve they put a set of drag tires on it and it ran 10.8
in the quarter..........

[ab_mach1]

hearing rumors of 130mph traps, stock! That 8spd trans may be a really killer

I'm interested in the 8spd auto tranny too. The tech and durability of the modern tranny's is pretty impressive.

[ab_mach1]

More power, more weight, meh.



Beautiful American Muscle car with 700hp. I'll take it.

[blown03Mach1]

Not sure if anyone has seen this, but Dodge released the price of the Challenger Hellcat. Starting point comes in UNDER 60k!

That leaves a lot of differential money form the price of the GT500 in order to make it even faster!


http://jalopnik.com/the-707-horsepower-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-will-co-1605863227

Simply bad AZZ!!!

[4valve 4tw?]

Real prices after destination and gas guzzler tax are $60,990 for manual, and $62,585 for the auto, of which the auto is a $1995 option, but has a slightly lower gas guzzler tax.

Thus not surprisingly the auto will be faster and get better mpg.