Slicks with stock axles! Am I crazy?

[ScreamingMach46]

Ok, I picked up a set of 15x8 Prostars with 26x10.5 MT ET Streets. Would I be retarded to try and launch on these with my stock axles? I just want to try and get a 12.5 out of my car as it is and don't really want to drop $1700 on building my rearend right now. I figure with the soft sidewall of the slicks I might be fine.

Mods and current best 1/4 time are in my sig and was with a 315/35/17 MT DR.

[2camsam]

You better have a tow truck lined up.

[04Mach1Blurr]

Deepending on what ya launch at, anything over 4k, Ill give ya 3 passes.

[Mach828]

Have someone film it so when it snaps and you go sideways near the wall the world can see it on youtube and ask what was that guy thinking.

[Mudd92]

Im gonna agree with bill, just take it easy dont be a show off and use sense remember they arent the best idea for slicks lol. But keep in your mind it can and will break after so much

[311-420]

I've got a buddy who's been playing with this kind of fire for while now. I keep telling him it's going to be his last pass and he keeps proving me wrong. Bastage....

[Torquer]

:bigeyes: DONT DO IT :wtf:


Leave the slicks off the car and put a set of upper and lower Rear Control arms - adjust the pinion angle...

that would get you 2 tenths from the 60ft...

[buzzzsaw]

I have done it without breaking anything, just baby it like the bearded guy says....

[Gameboy_J]

:bigeyes: DONT DO IT :wtf:


Leave the slicks off the car and put a set of upper and lower Rear Control arms - adjust the pinion angle...

that would get you 2 tenths from the 60ft...

Nice tip, I have moser hardened 28 spline axles and I am afraid of slicks lol

[ScreamingMach46]

:bigeyes: DONT DO IT :wtf:

Leave the slicks off the car and put a set of upper and lower Rear Control arms - adjust the pinion angle...

that would get you 2 tenths from the 60ft...

I dont think ill drop 2 tenths off of my 1.69 60' i pulled on the DRs by doing control arms :what:

I had probably 45 passes on the 315 MT DRs with out braking lol, last 15 of them were launching at 5k RPMs and 1.7x 60's

What do you guys mean by "baby it out of the hole"? Im trying to improve on my 12.72 so I was hoping I could launch harder since there a soft side wall compared to the DRs I ran on before.

I wont be going with out having AAA first.

What kinda ride should i expect at the track with the slicks? I drove with them on the highway last week and they are VERY unsteady at high speeds, I took them off the next day cause they scared the poop out of me :27:

[311-420]

Ummmmm...........Have some of you little http://pics.mediaplazza.com/t_15/64x64/0692red_kitten.jpg even looked at his signature? :notsure:

What do you see that is not very forgiving if he lets them dead hook?

I'm dying to know :??: :23:

[buzzzsaw]

hmmmmmmmmmm.....mayb that flywheel???:29:

[Torquer]

Soooooo.........you want him to get more grip and hit the car harder in the area where he is most likely to BREAK THE AXLES in his old combo and get a 1.50 60ft?

Yeah suuuuuure.:notsure:

READ again.... put your glasses on....

I said LEAVE the SLICKS off....in other words run the 315 35 17's

he got 1.7 60 ft....Slicks will snap that axle....street tires will spin...as I am sure you know....

He needs to stiffen the flexing parts (crappy stock control arms)....then the suspension can work....

[buzzzsaw]

Im grabbin some popcorn....

[311-420]

I'm gonna go make some popcorn now

[Torquer]

[QUOTE=ScreamingMach46;1266592]I dont think ill drop 2 tenths off of my 1.69 60' i pulled on the DRs by doing control arms :what:

QUOTE]

1.56 60 ft has been done on my 95 Cobra many times on street tires...

Thats 1.13 of the 2 tenths you are chasing

Dude at this point tenths are tenths....

Unless you pony up cash for stronger parts....then pony up cash to fix the carnage...either way you pay....

[2k4mach]

Im grabbin some popcorn....

lol, the ******** gets old on this site. next will be the personal attacks coming out.

personally i think those individuals that constantly throw the attacks out should be permantly banned. would make this site better.

[ScreamingMach46]

Ummmmm...........Have some of you little http://pics.mediaplazza.com/t_15/64x64/0692red_kitten.jpg even looked at his signature? :notsure:

What do you see that is not very forgiving if he lets them dead hook?

Well like the other guy said, my aluminum flywheel?

Can I improve my times by "babying it out of the hole"? I can't just launch at 6500 RPMs at ~16 psi and pray?

[Torquer]

personally i think those individuals that constantly throw the attacks out should be permantly banned. would make this site better.

I hope I am not viewed as personally attacking...

i offered a bonafide solution....then was flamed ...

Funny thing about going fast...SEVERAL ways to accomplish it...

As for this site...I am on many others and havent seen such vocal opinions...but hey its cool so long as we progress toward a goal.

[buzzzsaw]

I launched at 4500 with stock rearend and a 100 shot of juice, with slicks at 15 PSI, mayb I would have broke eventually....but hey I ran over a year like that(but I did have aftermarket lowers)
and I agree with u Mark, chit gets old real quick..

[Torquer]

Ok man...you're right

I dont know anything...

This guy wants to play games and belittle ideas....

good luck running slicks on stock axles!

[buzzzsaw]

****, this popcorn rocks.....

[buzzzsaw]

Ok man...you're right

I dont know anything...

This guy wants to play games and belittle ideas....

good luck running slicks on stock axles!

Dude, there are several of us that have done it.....Bill is the king of most of this chit...trust me..

[ScreamingMach46]

1.56 60 ft has been done on my 95 Cobra many times on street tires...

Thats 1.13 of the 2 tenths you are chasing

Dude at this point tenths are tenths....

Unless you pony up cash for stronger parts....then pony up cash to fix the carnage...either way you pay....

Gotcha, I may just do a whole rearend/suspension overhaul this summer. I'm late on my offseason mods because I was out of work for 2 months. But now I have some cash to spend. I still need to get a set of wheels & tires for my car because all I have is stockers with bald Fusion tires.

Should have $1800 by summer time to build the rear end and do suspension work.

Here's another thing... I REALLY want more power (turbo or vortech) for street/highway fun. I don't want to drop $2k on rearend and suspension stuff since that would be a HUGE chunk of money towards boost.

[Torquer]

Lol

lmfao

[buzzzsaw]

Chit Bill....ur such an azz:23:

[buzzzsaw]

I think u made him mad Bill

[Torquer]

Gotcha, I may just do a whole rearend/suspension overhaul this summer. I'm late on my offseason mods because I was out of work for 2 months. But now I have some cash to spend. I still need to get a set of wheels & tires for my car because all I have is stockers with bald Fusion tires.

Should have $1800 by summer time to build the rear end and do suspension work.

Here's another thing... I REALLY want more power (turbo or vortech) for street/highway fun. I don't want to drop $2k on rearend and suspension stuff since that would be a HUGE chunk of money towards boost.

Honestly dont go big to start with...start with basics....make the car solid...get good bushings - good control arms, SET THE PINION ANGLE, look for sensible weght loss options - and enjoy your car...

Best of all parts are cheap used if you take your time...or expensive buying new....but even if you buy new and they dont fit your liking...sell em and go a different route!

Last and most importantly - remember opinions are like butt holes - everyone has one.

[buzzzsaw]

I think he called u a butt hole Bill

[ScreamingMach46]

****! You guys are too quick for me, I can't even type out a post before there's 5 more hahaha.

I understand starting with the base work but that gets boring, spending money with minimal gains. I would hate to put all these mods into my car and then get bored of it because I keep getting wacked by 2v and 3v cars.

[buzzzsaw]

Dude, u gotta start somewhere, and there is going to be risk involved.....Bill knows his chit, believe it!!!

[ScreamingMach46]

So... Bill could ya give me some tips on how to launch on the slicks so I don't have to make a bunch of learning passes :D

[Torquer]

****! You guys are too quick for me, I can't even type out a post before there's 5 more hahaha.

I understand starting with the base work but that gets boring, spending money with minimal gains. I would hate to put all these mods into my car and then get bored of it because I keep getting wacked by 2v and 3v cars.

I hear that...I ask myself that all the time...

see a old fox body that by all accounts is a turd and it runs 10.99 -

These are the same people with torque boxes ripped out of the car along with other crazy failures.

Good luck...keep us posted on how the car runs...

Gotta pull for a fellow Yellow Mach 1 driver!

[ScreamingMach46]

Good luck...keep us posted on how the car runs...

Gotta pull for a fellow Yellow Mach 1 driver!

Yeah, the pressure for boost is pushing hard, I think 6-8 guys in my local mustang club have added a blower, n2o, or turbo to there cars this offseason. I feel left out at meets because often I'm the only N/A car there.

I think I'll try and make a few passes with the slicks, if I get the 12.5 I'm selling them to help fund the turbo or vortech.

[ScreamingMach46]

All you have to do is feather the clutch a bit. The aluminum flywheel complicates your launch a bit.
You need a relatively high rpm launch because of less stored kinetic energy on the flywheel VS the steel stock one. You've prolly already noticed that that you had a "Blow or Bog" when you first took this combo to the track.

What size is your current rear wheel width on both the DR wheel and slick wheel?

Yeah I bogged ALOT with the DRs untill I brought the launch up to 5-5.5k rpms with a very quick clutch release. It would spin alittle bit but i felt like that's what I needed to get the good 60' and not bog, pulled a 1.69 best.

For DR wheels, I had AFS Mach 10.5s with the 315/35/17s (I don't have these anymore). For the slick wheels, I have 15x8 Weld Prostars w/ 26x10.5x15 ET Streets.

[ScreamingMach46]

That's really too narrow of a wheel for that tire. You really can't get a proper foot print. You have to lower the pressure to get a good foot print and it gets "squirmy" at the big end. If you had some gears, I'd tell ya to get the 28X9 slick. Better foot print with your wheel and more sidewall for cushion on the launch.

Yeah, figured it's not the best setup but $430 for brand new ET Streets on Weld Prostars it wasn't a bad deal.

That squirmy feeling is ****!ng scary, I hit a bump at 130mph and just about crapped my pants.

Thanks for the input everyone, I'll probably give it a shot in the next few weeks. Will let ya guys know how it goes.

[toad]

Bill

I am running new Nitto 315/35/17s on AFS 10.5 wheels. 4.10s and BMC upper and lower rear control arms. It hooks pretty darn good on the street.

otherwise the rear is stock. I am putting down 436rwhp after my last tune (pulled some timing).

How safe is that on a good track (Lufkin) at about 3k for a launch?

thanks,
mark

[JDraper]

I'm not a drag racer, but I'd say the 28" tire because it's got more sidewall flex to dampen the shock to the drivetrain. Basic physics.

[Linumup]

Nope.
He has no idea how many guys on here I've helped on the phone, in emails, in PMs, in open forum AND in person.

I've been doing this fer quite a few years too. ;)

Sooooo.............I'll open it up to anyone then.

Which tire is more forgiving on parts when it dead hooks and why?



A 315/35/17 M/T DR

A 26x10.5x15 ET Street

A 28X9-15 M/T slick


Im going to say the slick because it has the most room to grow and the softest compound . Whick absorbs most of the shock .

[arena]

I'll take the bait I would think the 28x9's just because of sidewall wind up.would this be correct?I have broken many axles but more with BFG 325/15DR's and those were 33 spline Moser's.I also dont think a set of axles and a 31spline traction loc will cost anywhere near $2000.you may even be able to do the control arms too.

[jh 2004 mach]

Thanks for the input everyone, I'll probably give it a shot in the next few weeks. Will let ya guys know how it goes.[/QUOTE]

let me know when you go i will bring my mach i live 20 min from da grove . i broke my stock axles with 315 nitto 555r launching @ 4k but the gear prolly helped.

[buzzzsaw]

I did the 31 spline diff and 31 spline axles all for $500 just for parts...not to bad I thought. Of course I also went with 4:30's while I was in there. So, its not that bad to upgrade..