Car & Driver did the test on the Mach1 for Dec 02 Iussed [Archive]

02mach1

11-04-2002, 04:21 PM

Will C/D did test on Mach1 vs 350Z and Honda 2000B , AudI TT

Out of four cars the Mach1 came in 2nd place behind the 350Z

:confused: The MACH1 had 5.2 sec. 0-60 mph in the test and just 0.7sec. slower then the Cobra:THUMBSUP: but I'll feel the Mach1 should not be in this class of cars. it should be in the New GTO and the Chevy SS after next year. In test C/D did the Mach1 had two top tens in the test. 1st the engine had a top ten and the price of the Mach1 was a ten and rest was 8 or 7 in the test.

The highs in the test was the engine

The lows were the tires and the interior

The verdirct most go for the dough by far. What C/D said about the Mach1.:CHEERS:

WarpdSpazm

11-04-2002, 04:34 PM

5.2???

What was the 2001 Cobra at for 0-60

and how about the '03 GT coupe???

Something ain't right here... these mags need better drivers...

TRMach1

11-04-2002, 04:40 PM

Is that 5.2 or 5.02, there IS a difference. The Motor Trend test said 5.03 for 0-60 times.

WarpdSpazm

11-04-2002, 04:41 PM

Guess I'll be stopping at Barnes and Nobles' for MT and C&D tonight...

WarpdSpazm

11-04-2002, 04:45 PM

Well i just checked SVT's site and they quote the '01 cobra at a 5.4 sec 0-60 time....

I guess 5.03-5.2 is a reasonable range of times for a mag to peg us at??? WE'll know for sure when some of our seasoned drag boys hit the 1/4 and bring back from timeslips.

I really think post a good break-in and a K&N and whatnot we'll see some sub 5.0 times... (COME-ON 4.8)

fonzymach03

11-04-2002, 04:52 PM

hey 02mach1 could you post some of that article about the mach 1 in car and driver for us all to see:HOPPY:

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 05:33 PM

Motor Trend tested the Mach 1 as a 0-60 in 5.3 sec not 5.03
But I wish 5.03 was what it really was.:rolleyes:

TRMach1

11-04-2002, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Mustang Matt
Motor Trend tested the Mach 1 as a 0-60 in 5.3 sec not 5.03
But I wish 5.03 was what it really was.:rolleyes:
Thanks for that clarification Matt. Still, it looks like they improve a little with every test. MT was 5.3, C&D was a 5.2. Hell, by the time we go through Road and Track, Mustang Monthly, MM&FF, and Hot Rod, we'll be down to 4.9! I think it all comes down to what the weather is like and who's driving the car.

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Black98GT

Hell, by the time we go through Road and Track, Mustang Monthly, MM&FF, and Hot Rod, we'll be down to 4.9! I think it all comes down to what the weather is like and who's driving the car.
No kidding, just as long we eventually see the same 1/4 mile test numbers from Atlanta.

02mach1

11-04-2002, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by fonzymach03
hey 02mach1 could you post some of that article about the mach 1 in car and driver for us all to see:HOPPY:

here's article;)

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 06:26 PM

Holy crap, does that tach say a Redline of 6800!
Did they finally fix it?????

02mach1

11-04-2002, 06:35 PM

No 8000 rpm:D

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 06:37 PM

As long as it's not 5800.
The pic in Motor Trend still showed a 5800 redline.
Thanks Frank:)

DJS 95 CBR R

11-04-2002, 06:39 PM

Did it mention if it had an IRON BLOCK???

What was the test weight? What was the 1/4 mile?

Thanks?

02mach1

11-04-2002, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by DJS 95 CBR R
Did it mention if it had an IRON BLOCK???

What was the test weight? What was the 1/4 mile?

Thanks?

No, they didn't say anything about that. 5.2 0-60 mph 1/4 the weight

is 3200 pounds. top speed for MACH1 IS 151MPH:D :D :D :CHEERS: :THUMBSUP:

POLSMACH03

11-04-2002, 07:04 PM

Frank what is the redline?? Can't tell from your post.

02mach1

11-04-2002, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by POLSMACH03
Frank what is the redline?? Can't tell from your post.

8000RPM IS THE RED LINE For MACH1 and Top SPEED 151 MPH!For the Mach1:CHEERS:

03mach1

11-04-2002, 07:14 PM

Frank, MUST YOU REPOST THE PICTURE EVERYTIME???

IT IS WHERE THE REDLINE STARTS, NOT THE END OF THE TACH, It should be around 7100-7200 RPM, if you look closely at it.

I know the Rev. Limiter is around 7200 RPM, so redline could be a bit lower, you might be right, around 6800?

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 07:15 PM

The larger pic shows a 6800 redline.:cool:

POLSMACH03

11-04-2002, 07:16 PM

Do we have a fuel cutoff like my 01 GT had????

02mach1

11-04-2002, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by POLSMACH03
Do we have a fuel cutoff like my 01 GT had????

Yes it does, don't hit speed bump at 25mph like I did in my GT it kills the motor hard part is finding the buttom for it.

POLSMACH03

11-04-2002, 09:15 PM

NO I mean at a high RPM!!!!! The 01 GT shut of at 6300 I think it was.

Same thing on the Mach????

cobrajg

11-04-2002, 09:25 PM

Fuel cut should be for high speed, like 150-155. When I had my cobra on the dyno, he hit fuel cut at 155. You will be able to bounce the tach off the rev-limiter all you want, but I would not recommend it, should be 7000-7200. In my cobra I was shifting at 6800.

falcongtho3

11-04-2002, 09:56 PM

Great, now to camp out at my mailbox again for another dose of mis-information. All we have left now is R&T and Automobile and we'll have a full sweep of the 'major' magazines. OK, who's buying two issues of each? Be truthful...:THUMBSUP:

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by falcongtho3
Great, now to camp out at my mailbox again for another dose of mis-information. All we have left now is R&T and Automobile and we'll have a full sweep of the 'major' magazines. OK, who's buying two issues of each? Be truthful...:THUMBSUP:

That's good:) I'm not going to get two of each issue,but I do have two brochures...I know I need help.:MADNOEL:

02mach1

11-04-2002, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by POLSMACH03
NO I mean at a high RPM!!!!! The 01 GT shut of at 6300 I think it was.

Same thing on the Mach????

it is 7200 rpm.

I what quote what C/D wrote , it reads on pg54.

The 1st two shift of the notchy box leave skid marks & and the 4th shift paid puts to 151 mph. and reads That's serious motor.:THUMBSUP: :D :CHEERS:

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by 02mach1

it is 7200 rpm.
sorry, I was just going by the larger pic(looked like 6800), it was could of blurry. Either way I'm happy!

KCSailor

11-04-2002, 10:40 PM

Is it just me or is the Mach 1 the only 4 seater of the group?
I think I agree that it just doesn't seem to fit.

DJS 95 CBR R

11-04-2002, 10:45 PM

'REDLINE' IS 6,800 RPM

'REV LIMIT' IS 7200 RPM (also can be referred to as Fuel Cutoff)

I am still concerned about the Iron Block info...

Also... '02 Mach1... a V6 may be 3200 lbs...

a GT is 3330 (or so depending on Options)

Peace,

Dave

Mustang Matt

11-04-2002, 10:47 PM

Thanks Dave,
I knew I was looking at it right!

dobiedog

11-04-2002, 10:48 PM

None of these stinkin mags have hit the stand yet :(

02mach1

11-04-2002, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by KCSailor
Is it just me or is the Mach 1 the only 4 seater of the group?
I think I agree that it just doesn't seem to fit.

Your right , this is not the class for the Mach1.;) How the C/D guys look at Mach1 in picture on pg 55 I think they were stock :surprise: about Mach1 performce.

dobiedog

11-04-2002, 11:50 PM

I think their only criteria is less than 35K <and sell magazines>.

Frank, mah brotha, I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. You are too cryptic for me. Please utilize the 'preview' feature and reread it. I am a little more dense than the rest. :HOPPY: :MADNOEL: hElP mE, fRaNK

02mach1

11-05-2002, 12:07 AM

I tring say is the C/D guys are upset because they thought the Mach1 was a dress up kit for the GT. if u have C/D the iussed you see the picture what Iam talking about.;) :SMASH:

dobiedog

11-05-2002, 12:15 AM

Thanks for the clarification :CHEERS: I am in the land of the Clampetts. you know like Hooterville, or petticoat Junction. Hey wait a sec, that ain't all that bad :) The newsstands (grocery stores :!!: ) have not put out the new mags yet.:( So I am at you guy's mercy when it comes to the new mags. Heck I didn't even get a Brocure for the Mach 1. It could be worse.

falcongtho3

11-05-2002, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Mustang Matt

That's good:) I'm not going to get two of each issue,but I do have two brochures...I know I need help.:MADNOEL:
MM,if having two brochures means you need help...well, call 911 for me. Every time I get to the deaership I grab a few more...Hi, My name is John and I am a Mach-A-Holic...I only hope I can stop at two for each magazine...
dobiedog, the MT has only been out about a week so you've got some time to pick one up, and it looks like C&D just came out, be patient...grocery store?No B&N, or BAM? I'm sure there's a Wal-Mart somewhere (they're everywhere) and they usually have a decent selection.:THUMBSUP:

02mach1

11-05-2002, 05:13 PM

Your right they are every where W-M:LAUGH:

KCSailor

11-05-2002, 05:30 PM

I know they do test for thier 0-60 times, but I'm wondering if Ford makes them use the advertized HP for print, as part of the agreement for letting them use the car? We all know that the stock cobra is in exess of 390, but all of the Mags still list it at that.
Any mag indsiders know why MT and C&D don't print Dyno results?

02mach1

11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

They said 305hp and that's it.;)

vrpirata

11-06-2002, 01:02 PM

What was the result in the mag for Mach1/350z/S2000/Audi TT in 0-60 and 1/4mile?

1MeanGT

11-06-2002, 01:32 PM

I think they pulled a 14.0 with the Mach 1. Is this right? If so, that is a piss poor time. Motor Trend pulled a 13.8, and that was bad. But keep in mind, these magazines are always a half second off, so that would normally mean 13.3-13.5 which is actually right on par with the times in Atlanta. :CHEERS:

02mach1

11-06-2002, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by vrpirata
What was the result in the mag for Mach1/350z/S2000/Audi TT in 0-60 and 1/4mile?

The Mach1 did (14.0@103 mph) 1/4 mile - (0-60 mph 5.2sec.)

Audi TT did (15.7@88 mph) 1/4 mile - (0-60 mph7.3sec.)

350Z did (14.3@ 100 mph) 1/4 mile - (0-60 mph 5.7sec.)

S2000 did (14.9@ 95 mph) 1/4 mile - (0-60 mph 6.3 sec.)

:CHEERS: :cool:

70Mach03

11-06-2002, 02:19 PM

13.8 was bad enough but, 14.0!! They should be embarrassed. I know these aren't drag racing magazines, but still. Remember, these mags.listed a GT 5 sp. at 14.6 or 7. With a decent driver on stock tires, they can run high 13's.

vrpirata

11-06-2002, 02:37 PM

What about the skidpad and slalom for all of them... please :)

WarpdSpazm

11-06-2002, 02:39 PM

When does it hit the stand? I know you subscribers got it last week, but how about us cheapo's.... When should it be available for the common man?

cobrajg

11-06-2002, 03:29 PM

14.0 at 103? Great trap speed, but that time is really bad! I went one time in my cobra and was getting 13.6x at 103-104 and was told that I should hit 13.3-13.4 with that trap speed. The **** IRS made launching a pain in the ***. This car should easily go 13.3-13.5 bone stock. Can't wait till spring! :THUMBSUP:

02mach1

11-06-2002, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by vrpirata
What about the skidpad and slalom for all of them... please :)

Skidpad & slalom

Mach1 did (.85)

350Z did (.86)

S2000 did (.87)

Audi TT did (.81):HALLOW:

starscream

11-07-2002, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by WarpdSpazm
Well i just checked SVT's site and they quote the '01 cobra at a 5.4 sec 0-60 time....

I guess 5.03-5.2 is a reasonable range of times for a mag to peg us at??? WE'll know for sure when some of our seasoned drag boys hit the 1/4 and bring back from timeslips.

I really think post a good break-in and a K&N and whatnot we'll see some sub 5.0 times... (COME-ON 4.8)

Actually you're better off getting some drag radials than a K&N and whatnot if you want to speed up 0-60 time. These mags use stock tires for their testing, the wheelspin adds a few tenths of a second.

dobiedog

11-07-2002, 04:41 PM

One has to wonder what their reaction time was too. The linkage may have been tight, tires worn, etc.

KCSailor

11-07-2002, 06:05 PM

I don't know if the artical mentions it or not, but I wonder if traction control was on or off for these tests?

Just a thought.

TRMach1

11-07-2002, 06:14 PM

Good question! Knowing these genuises, I'm sure they left it on, they probably thought it was made for drag racing!:??:

KCSailor

11-07-2002, 06:20 PM

lol yeah from those times it looks like they were being a little too gental

TRMach1

11-07-2002, 07:03 PM

I have not had the displeasure of reading either the Motor Trend or the Car and Driver reviews yet, but they both seem to think that there is an engine in the Mach 1 other than the one that's supposed to be there! Motor Trend says it has an iron block, just like the 03 Cobra, and that ain't right. Car and Driver says that Ford basically resurrected the motor from the 1995 Cobra! WTF!! Everyone knows that in 95 the Cobra had a 5.0L Windsor, just like the GT! Do these morons even bother to find out what it is they are testing, or do they just pull it out of thier ***? What incompetence, it almost rivals Ford!!:SMASH:

34Ford

11-07-2002, 09:07 PM

DITTO on the morons

And they charge what they do each month and look how much is advertizing.
Its a well known fact that magazines makes big profits even when they pull it outta their a$$eS:THUMBSUP:

Julio

11-07-2002, 10:35 PM

The Mach1 redline is 6800 rpm with the fuel cutoff at 7050rpm, for manual cars. 5800 redline and 6850 fuel cutoff for autos.

P.S. fuel cutoff (as in the rev limiter) is not the same as the inertia switch!

Mach1_MI

11-09-2002, 10:00 PM

Julio, You are the closet so far! - the only correction being the fuel cutoff is 6250 for the auto.

Julio

11-10-2002, 03:09 PM

My bad, I meant to put the 6250 or the auto, I was at work when I did that...oops:D

P.S. Mach MI, you need to hang around here more, your info is appreciated....